Third sheath brings more questions

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I finally had the opportunity to complete my third sheath. Overall it is the best of the three I have made. I ordered Paul's "Basic Pouch Sheaths" and it really helped improve my skills. Now I just need more experience (and mistakes) to keep improving.

I made this to give to a family member that wanted a Mora Clipper sheath with the firesteel loop. I skived each side of the loop about 50% so it would be the same thickness as the welt. I then cut welt to fit in the loop, applied cement to sheath/welt/loop, pressed everything together, and finally stitched after the cement was dry. What I ran into while finishing the edges was I could not get the sander all the way to the welt. This left a small area that was not as finished as seen in the pictures. The firesteel covers this area, but I know it's there. The small rough spot toward the bottom of the edge is probably from using what I call practice grade leather so I am not to concerned with that at the time since I know how to correct it. Does anyone have a better process to recommend to get the edges fully finished near the loop?

In the first picture you can see some specs where the dye did not take. The most noticeable spec is at the top of the sheath about 2-3 stitches down. This happened on my first sheath also. The only common denominator is the thread. It is Tejas waxed polyester. The stuff has A LOT of wax on it. I ran this thread through my fingers and a rag about five times to remove some of the wax. I used rubbing alcohol as a deglazer. Anyone have this happen before? I am leaning toward wax from the thread getting on the leather, but it could be ?????. Also I would appreciated any suggestions for a prewaxed thread for hand sewing that comes in the same size and the Tejas(4oz I think) with less wax of course. I have also tried a 25 yards of waxed nylon from Tandy. There just isn't enough in the roll.

Thanks for all your input. I really enjoy looking at others work posted here.

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I've built thousands of holsters with waxed nylon thread and had the same problem on some with excess wax causing dying problems.

Nice looking sheath.
 
I find I do things differently than most people seem to. Glue it together minus the firesteel loop, then do your sanding and edge finishing then glue in the loop and stitch. That is usually what I do.

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Thanks for the replies.

Skystorm- I really like your sheath in the picture. I am working to get the smooth outer lines and stitch lines like yours. I may try to fit the loop after gluing and finishing the edges as you suggested. I have a small piece of welt above to loop so the firesteel handle can be even with the edge of the sheath. Do you have any suggestions on how to glue the loop with this design without making a mess? I was thinking about using a couple of drops of super glue since it has a thin pointed nozzle to hold everything in place so I can get it stitched. Where do you find the firesteel like yours without the handle? It makes for a very clean appearance. Lastly, what color dye did you use? My sheath in the picture was Fiebings med. brown. I was going for a color similar to yours, but it came out much darker than expected. My best guess is that I did not wait long enough after deglazing with rubbing alcohol and the alcohol raised the grain of the leather causing it to absorb excess dye.
 
TXDan,
that's some nice work there. If you are getting nylon thread from Tandy, get the full-size spool not the 25yd spool, much larger & more cost effective. I'm with Skystorm in that I dye then stitch & finish the edges, then touch them up as needed.
 
Tip of the day: A good stiff tooth brush will help get that excess wax out of the tight spaces, both from the thread and from the wax finish. I use my brushes many times a day.

Always dye before stitching, if a second application is necessary (in most cases) you can do that after, sometimes its better to do a second coat.

As for spots of wax, with close examination you can usually see the little blobs and scrape them off, then do a deglazing. That should get rid of it all.

Sometimes the machines at Tejas get a little crazy with the wax, you can usually tell through the plastic cover if that is the case. If you get a crazy one Tandy is always happy to take a return for a better spool. at least in my experience. I buy a LOT of thread. White tends to be the worst offender, I dont know why.
 
Thanks for the replies.

Skystorm- I really like your sheath in the picture. I am working to get the smooth outer lines and stitch lines like yours. I may try to fit the loop after gluing and finishing the edges as you suggested. I have a small piece of welt above to loop so the firesteel handle can be even with the edge of the sheath. Do you have any suggestions on how to glue the loop with this design without making a mess? I was thinking about using a couple of drops of super glue since it has a thin pointed nozzle to hold everything in place so I can get it stitched. Where do you find the firesteel like yours without the handle? It makes for a very clean appearance. Lastly, what color dye did you use? My sheath in the picture was Fiebings med. brown. I was going for a color similar to yours, but it came out much darker than expected. My best guess is that I did not wait long enough after deglazing with rubbing alcohol and the alcohol raised the grain of the leather causing it to absorb excess dye.

I don't want to speak for skystorm, and I don't like doing anyone's advertising, either, but I get my ferro blanks from goinggear.com.
 
Thanks for the replies.

Skystorm- I really like your sheath in the picture. I am working to get the smooth outer lines and stitch lines like yours. I may try to fit the loop after gluing and finishing the edges as you suggested. I have a small piece of welt above to loop so the firesteel handle can be even with the edge of the sheath. Do you have any suggestions on how to glue the loop with this design without making a mess? I was thinking about using a couple of drops of super glue since it has a thin pointed nozzle to hold everything in place so I can get it stitched. Where do you find the firesteel like yours without the handle? It makes for a very clean appearance. Lastly, what color dye did you use? My sheath in the picture was Fiebings med. brown. I was going for a color similar to yours, but it came out much darker than expected. My best guess is that I did not wait long enough after deglazing with rubbing alcohol and the alcohol raised the grain of the leather causing it to absorb excess dye.


What kind of glue are you using? I use a couple light coats of barge cement and leave it clamped for an hour or so. I have a couple designs that leave a little above the firesteel but usually I will try and leave at least an inch otherwise it is just to flimsy to work with when stitching it together. Glue the slot in the sheath, don't glue the welt or you just squeegee it off and make a mess when you insert it.
The dye on that one is the pro oil dye, dark brown and diluted 2-1.

Stitch lines, well everyone has their own method I suppose but for truly straight lines I don't think you can beat a machine, at least I can't :D. Although I do hand stitch every sheath, I punch the holes with a Tippmann first.

I agree with leatherman, I dunno what it is with the white thread but they do go nuts with the wax.


Here is one with some left above the firesteel, I don't like it as much. firesteel are Gobsparks.

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I am using Barge cement also. Just to make sure I am reading things right, your method is to glue the sheath leaving a slot for the firesteel loop, then finish the edges as needed, next apply cement to the welt/slot, and finally insert the firesteel loop. I hope this next sheath will be yet another big improvement over the last.

As for the machine, it would be nice to have, but I am purely a hobbyist and don't see myself getting one anytime soon. The cost vs the number of sheaths I will make is one factor. I will have to buy another knife or search for family members that want a sheath to keep the projects rolling!

Thanks for all the replies. I will put all the information shared to good use.
 
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