This is your supposed to refresh a Venev Diamond stone.

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I asked Konstantin from Gritomatic what he felt was the best way to refresh Venev stone and this is what he said.

Multiply the diamond grit of the stone in Micron's by 3 and that's your cap as far as the finest grit you go to with the Silicon Carbide Powder.

Use a 120 Grit Silicon Carbide to start then one more grit between the final grit your going to end with.

Also I have people using a 8K King Nagura stone as well that you can get off ebay for a reasonable price and they just rub the stone with it a few times and then you start sharpening after you rinse the stone off.
 
What is the difference between the newer OCB Venev bonded diamond stones and the older resin bonded Venev stone ?
The older stone is significantly less money. I am looking at the older F 2000 1u vs the newer Venev OCB 1200 2.5 u
So dress these with about 3 micron to 8 micron SC respectively?
 
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With the 1200 grit stone your final Silicon Carbide Powder you would want to stop at is 8 Micron,it would really be a 9 Micron but they don't make a 9 Micron Silicon Carbide Powder in grit FEPA and if they do they are not listing on my conversion chart so 8 would be your final yes it doesn't have to be exact just close.

What you want to do is start with a F120 Sic then the next powder you would try and use would maybe be 2 to 3 grit's lower then your final powder you are supposed to stop at ,on my chart they don't list a lot,for example there is a J2000 but nothing is comparable to it in FEPA grit,so the final grit I would choose for the 1200 Venev would is a F800,they don't list a F650 or 700 but if they make Sic powder in those grit's that would even be a better choice,a F800 on my chart doesn't say the Micron size but it would be about a 6 to 6.5 or 7 Micron and they don't list a Jis rating for it either as I guess there is nothing to compare it to.

They may make an F650 or F700 but I don't have my set in front of me to confirm it not that it really matters.

But yes you are correct at stopping a 8 witch the math say's 9 not splitting hairs or anything,but what I would to do is start with the F120 first for the fastest removal of the resin as it can be slow going,then the next Sic you choose should be 2 grit's lower then the final grit your going to end with,you could also after using the F120 use 2 grit's of powder before ending at the final grit for a total of 4 powders being used because you may need the progression so as not to have mega deep grove's in the stone after ending at your final grit.

Also as a side note if you ever flatten a water stone with Sic powder it should always be finished with a Sic Powder that's at least 2 to 3 grit's lower then the stones rating to avoid the Sic powder getting lodged in the stone,the reason for this is because if the same or just one grit lower of Sic powder is used the particle's are the same size or to close the same size as the water stones particle's witch means the Sic can works it way between the stones particle's easier and get lodged in there and then rust,where as something that's 2 to 3 grit's lower is fine and 2 grit's lower is more then safe enough.

The Venev OCB resin stones are great and I'm just saying because I got to test them and I also got a OKC resin bond as well both in 1200 and is very much the same to me.

The difference is the OCB stones do not leave as deep of scratch's and also leave a much better scratch pattern as well,they were also having problems from what I seen on a Russian forum where people where looking at the 1200 normal resin bond under a microscope and saying that the diamonds were falling out,if you think about you can't whip up any old batch of whatever and just because holds a 10 12 or 13 Micron diamond in place and can't be torn out even if a 1000 pounds pressure is used on it to try and tear them out but that doesn't mean it's going to hold a 1 Micron very well at all and that is their problem from what I understand.

They also wanted to improve the scratch pattern the most as the diamonds were flying out of the stone like a man that has male pattern balding going on,if you look at my thread about my Benchmade 810 I explain what stones I used and I know it's not a perfect way to do it because I used my Metallic bond CBN stones and that was because it was a re-profile from 17 to 15 degree's on those knifes',the CBN stones leave bigger scratch's for sure,but as I'm clear about it I don't care about a perfect mirror polish I just want the performance that is the same and way less time and I didn't need to strop I just did.

I'm going to resharpen the first one I purchased as I got a second one right away after getting the first I liked it so much and now it needs a touch up,I also have on the way and show be here this week 2 Venev 800 OCB stones and I'm going to touch it up with the 800 first then the 1200 then take picture's before I move onto my Sigma Power 6 10 and 13K or maybe just use 2 of them and not 3,also the 800 OCB's I have coming I paid for and I paid the full price,if they were freebie's to review I'd say so and if I didn't like them even if they were free I'd be the first to complain about what I didn't like even if someone was going to get their girly panties in the worlds biggest knot.

Venev is also releasing a 400 grit OCB stone in 6 to 8 weeks but as new product release's go that could change like the wind but I think it will be close to that and then 2 of those will be heading my way.

As far as the price goes for the 1200 in the standard grit they are out of stock at gritomatic and don't show the normal price but every stone below that stone is in stock and they start 43 and go up to 47 usd and the OCB 800 is 48 and the 1200 is 51 witch really isn't that bigger of a price jump,Diemaker noted a while back that the OCB resin cost's more.

Also if you look at the normal stones what I like is they don't charge you more for the higher grit's at least that are in stock the 60 grit is the most money and there are some stupid's out there that when explained a 2 year can understand it still refuse to understand and listen to reason,it takes more diamond or CBN in a coarser grit to keep the particle ratio the same,that's also like the 10 Carat diamond paste I have the finer grit's are less money then the coarser grit's because to keep the particle ratio the same among all the grit's they have to add more in the coarser grit's or bigger Micron's.

They sell 3 different lines let's say of diamond paste's from the guy I deal with and this is not what they are called I'm just trying to make it simple Low Medium and High concentrations,I get the medium where the finest micron has 10 carat's per 40 gram container where the Low has 4 carat's in the same 40 gram bottle,and in the medium they stop at 60/40 witch has 40 carats to keep the particle ratio the same.

You won't be refreshing any of the Venev stones every 5 sharpening's or anything like that,so long as you don't go banana's and use all the pressure you got you could anywhere from 50 to 100 sharpening's out of them before touching them up and maybe only loose 1/2 to 1mm of the stones thickness,and it would most likely be more like a 1/4 mm or less just from sharpening and not from refreshing these ting like all Venev wear like iron.

Sorry being long winded about this but I know you are usually in the know on most thing's and to be honest you really shocked me that you weren't up on the Venev stone's more even if you don't own any,but then again Wowbagger that's what you get when you spend all of your spare time on your true passion and that's researching stropping because we all know your not just the strop master your the strop master ninja LOL,I know what your going to say so I'll say it for you and that is I should go screw myself correct.

Look at the OCB and the normal resin stones price wise it's not like they are charging 20 to 50 bucks more per stone the jump is reasonable if you ask me and from what I understand they are not charging more because they leave a better scratch pattern the new resin cost's more so it's a case of can't have your cake and eat it to.

https://www.gritomatic.com/collecti...ond-stone-for-edge-pro?variant=13936575119469

This is the knife thread and the result's and it's much shorter,the scratch's in the blade are more from the Metallic CBN stones and are harder to clean up,I hope the by using the 800 and 1200 OCB stone that will clean them up to the point that when I use the Sigma Power stones no scratch's are almost none will remain just to confirm my thought's,I don't care about looking at myself in the edge for me it's all about the speed of cheating this way to get a polished edge performance in way less time once the blade has been re-profiled even if a few scratch's remain.

https://www.bladeforums.com/threads...hed-edge-with-venev-ocb-resin-stones.1678216/
 
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I have the new 800/1200 OCB stone and before that used the 1200/2000 stone. They are not comparable. The 800/1200 OCB is worth whatever they charge for it. It is better than any finishing stone I've ever used and leaves a mirror polish like final stropping. The old 1200/2000 were OK but I always progressed to other stones after using it before I went to stropping. I also use a cheap 6k nagura I got on Amazon to clean all my Venevs and it works great.
 
I forgot to mention that as well,the scratch pattern on the 1200 OCB is a finer scratch pattern then that on the 2000 grit normal resin and the only thing comparable between the original on the OCB resin that neither wear very fast.

I was also going to mention the Nagura stone thing as well and the King 6 to 8K Nagura stone seem's to be the most popular stone that and cheapest one that people using and that is not to aggressive.
 
Just so you know everyone think's you have to use the Nagura stone every time to clean the stone and also wear back some resin and that is not true,if you want to use a gentler way to clean them try using Bar Keepers Friend Powder I have tried the Liquid and unless the bottle sits for a year or more and the bottom of the bottle most go hard it doesn't work but the powder is dirt cheap and you can using so sparingly it isn't even funny and it works within 5 to 8 seconds of rubbing it on the stone while it's wet then rinse.

I have the new 800/1200 OCB stone and before that used the 1200/2000 stone. They are not comparable. The 800/1200 OCB is worth whatever they charge for it. It is better than any finishing stone I've ever used and leaves a mirror polish like final stropping. The old 1200/2000 were OK but I always progressed to other stones after using it before I went to stropping. I also use a cheap 6k nagura I got on Amazon to clean all my Venevs and it works great.
 
Wowbagger that's what you get when you spend all of your spare time on your true passion and that's researching stropping because we all know your not just the strop master your the strop master ninja LOL
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yeeeeeeaaahhh

I had read the older bonded 1200 stones were leaving some scratches. I was just making sure this was one of them. I'm not a person that needs a perfect mirror but the scratches on the mirror I prefer to be more of a haze rather than deeper scratches.

I guess I will save up and get the newer ones.

Thank you for taking the time to communicate all the info :thumbsup:
 
I have the new 800/1200 OCB stone and before that used the 1200/2000 stone. They are not comparable. The 800/1200 OCB is worth whatever they charge for it. It is better than any finishing stone I've ever used and leaves a mirror polish like final stropping. The old 1200/2000 were OK but I always progressed to other stones after using it before I went to stropping. I also use a cheap 6k nagura I got on Amazon to clean all my Venevs and it works great.
dgp17
That clinches it for me.
Thank you.
 
Wowbagger Wowbagger

I don't know if you have a 6 10 or 13K Sigma power select 2 stone but the 6 and the 13K used with the Suehiro G8 8K would be a great option to use those 3 after the Venev stones.

I know what I'm say seem's like it's going to take forever,but what I do is this,I'm not one of these guys who pulls the stone towards me and sweep's the length of the blade what I do is this.

I like to use a good bit of pressure with those stones but not goes crazy or else they just don't seem to do much at all if only a bit of pressure is used,and I push and pull the stone back and forth about 5 or 6 times in the same spot then move over and over lap just a bit then I do the other side and I do that twice for each of those stones.I only used a good bit of pressure and not going Ape Crap crazy with the pressure either is on steels like M4 and M390 and a bit more then normal on S35VN and steels like that that are still a bit hard to sharpen but not as bad as M390 and M4 although there are worse then those to for sure.

I know I could do each side 5 to 10 times with each stone but I don't get any better result's or not enough to worry about,kind of the way you feel about stropping.

I think you will like the scratch pattern and it's not really a haze either like you said it's more just a nice polished edge with minor scratch's that are really refined.

I think with the 400 800 ad 1200 being used it may really refine the scratch pattern even more if the Metallic CBN stones are being used,and I think it could be a really nice edge to look at if just the Venev OCB's are used in those 3 grit's,but keep in mind the 400 is yet to come.

When I test this out when I get my new stones I'll show just what the Venev OCB's did and then after I'm done using the Sigma Power 6 Suehiro G8 10 and 13K,I also like the Sigma Power 6 10 and 13K better then the Chosera 5 8 or 10K and I don't think they are that bad of stones just like the Simga Power a bit more,I find the Chosera 10K is useless on M390 as far as removing metal when compared to the 6 10 and 13K and how fast they do it and not that it's full speed ahead turbo mode either.

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yeeeeeeaaahhh

I had read the older bonded 1200 stones were leaving some scratches. I was just making sure this was one of them. I'm not a person that needs a perfect mirror but the scratches on the mirror I prefer to be more of a haze rather than deeper scratches.

I guess I will save up and get the newer ones.

Thank you for taking the time to communicate all the info :thumbsup:
 
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