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And I mean that in the best possible way. I signed up so read a review of a Khukuri, and I've already spent about 8 hours (over the course of two days) pouring through old threads looking for information on Khukuris and swords. I've also decided in those two days that I "need" a tomahawk, and a custom sword from HI. This is looking like it will end up just as bad as backpacking at paintball in terms of buying things I don't actually "need".

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(I fully intend to use pretty pictures to lure you into reading all of my nonsense.)

To start things off my name is Eric, and I'm a collector of sorts. I like things that are unique, different, and stand out. However, I'm very picky about how things stand out. I like things that are aesthetically pleasing as well as functional--I'm also more than a bit of a perfectionist. Why is this important? Well, it isn't really. But suffice to say that I bought two Khukuris under the pretense of using them while backpacking (and I will, but sometimes you need to lie to either yourself or your wallet) and almost solely because they were made in Nepal. It appealed to the side of me that craves things that are unique.

I should also mention that I'm not a blade person by any means. As a child I hated the fact that all of the best characters in video games used swords, and all of the best weapons were swords. I honestly like axes significantly more. I'm a fourth generation carpenter and for whatever reason my family uses axes instead of framing hammers. So I grew up liking axes, and again, they appealed to my appreciation of the unique. In fact, as I write this I'm occasionally switching between Firefox windows and trying to justify buying this. The point of all this is that I'm fairly ignorant of all things in regards to blades and short swords. So I will use the wrong terminology, I will create names and words, and I will probably drive everyone who knows anything insane. But, I will in return offer the review of a new customer which might help potential buyers make up their mind.

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(This is my no-nonsense review partner, Emerald (Emmy).)

I will start this off with a lesson I learned in college, and that is that people who are wrong often have a larger audience than those who are right. With that, I begin.

I don't actually even remember how I stumbled onto Khukuris, or Himalayan Imports. ( Although I believe I was considering a Gerber Triton (at oh, around $300 was it?) and one of the sites that reviewed it also reviewed, and compared it to, the HI Khukuri.) I know that I was looking for a knife to take when I went backpacking. Which in all honesty means that I was probably researching short swords (I tend to take things to extremes sometimes). My only real criteria was that whatever I bought had to be something that would last a long time so that it could be an heirloom of sorts, and that it had to be fully functional. Functional to the point where if, on the absurd chance, I ever had to fight off a Grizzly I would feel feel confident that while I might break into many, many pieces--my knife would not.

(Note: The Smatchet Thread in the Sword Section is great, but--if you go to the bathroom halfway through it becomes significantly less funny. I don't know why, but the threat of peeing your pants significantly adds to the experience.)

I spent a day or two trying to navigate the HI website and learn what I could about Khukuris. For some reason the store (aka the place where you buy things) is much less confusing to make your way through for first timers. Eventually, after doing some reading on the HI site and through several reviews I decided that buying two 20" Ang Kholas might sound like a good idea, but it probably wasn't. I found my way to the 15" Ang Khola Khukuris and bought two of them.

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(If you're sitting there thinking that this isn't an AK Khukuri, well you're right. Now sit down and wait for the rest of the story. ;))

Over the next day and a half I religiously checked the order status waiting for it to change. It didn't. So in my infinite wisdom I e-mailed Yangdu and asked if I could upgrade to the 18" AK Khukuri. Yangdu politely replied that my order had shipped the day after I placed it. Why it didn't update online I don't know.

(Note: Just sent off an e-mail inquiring whether or not the Tomahawk is still available. Sigh.)

I remembered reading somewhere that Khukuris had a full tang, but I found a picture on the HI site that showed a Khukuri with what looked suspiciously like a Rat Tail (Stick, Hidden) Tang. The tang is one area of a blade that I will absolutely and positively be a snob about. I e-mailed Yangdu and asked her if I could send the AK Khukuri back and get two Chiruwa Ang Khola because I would be more comfortable with a full tang. At some point during the conversation there was a miscommunication, so I will offer this advice. If you want a tang that runs the full length and width of the handle ask for your blade to come with a "Chiruwa" style handle. I've exchanged 34 e-mails with Yangdu to date and she has been nothing but kind and helpful, so I'm not trying to place blame, or accuse, etc. But this is one area, due to the differing terminologies/definitions that exist, that you want to be really specific about.

So after several long weeks of waiting for the UPS truck to come I finally have my two Chiruwa Ang Khola Khukuris. Which means that the review can officially start, and with pictures I might add.

As seen in the picture below the CAK come in at close to 16.75". They were made by the same Kami, but one is distinctly thicker at the spine and slightly "fuller" as well. Not by much, but you can tell the difference in weight between the two without too much trouble. One day, when I get a decent scale, I'll see about weighing them.

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As I have learned Khukuris usually (except for Seargant, or Sargant?) carry the mark of the Kami who made them. Both of mine were made by the same Kami (whose symbol I still need to look up):

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It's now 2:19 a.m. so I'm going to be a horrible person and go to bed--leaving you all with a half finished review. Well, actually I never really got to the review part. You guys are left with the tantalizing tale of me buying stuff I don't really need. 'Night.

Well, I was up early today (6:45 a.m.). Not because I want to be, but because my cat has developed a penchant for pulling over glasses when she's bored. She snags it with her paw, and then sees how quickly she can dodge the ensuing mess. This morning she pulled over a gallon of ice tea in a glass pitcher. So while the laundry is in the wash--I'll finish writing this.

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Looking down the spine of the Khukuri you can see that this is a hefty blade. This particular Khukuri measures 15/32" across the spine where it meets the bolster, and it tapers down to 5/16" just before the point forms. It keeps it's thickness for almost the entire length, and well past the "kink", only tapering off about 3.5" from the tip. I think that some of this may be artificial tapering caused by the "hollow" ground into this section of the blade.

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(The blade is not perpendicular in this photo, it tipped right before I snapped the shot. However, you can still see the thickness of the blade relative to the handle.

The tang starts at roughly a 7/32" thick and tapers down to 5/32".

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It looks like there may have been some slight separation between the metal and the handle when the epoxy (tree sap IIRC) was applied. The handle is still incredibly solid, and I would feel confident wielding the Khukuri by the blade and knocking things around with the handle for quite a while before expecting it to break (e.g. have the panels fall off). Unfortunately, my face doesn't have the bone structure necessary to look like a "Nubs". So that test will just have to wait.

I can only have 10 images per post, so the review will be continued below...
 
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-and welcome to BladeForums in general, and the HI Cantina in particular. :)

I think you will find that most of us here have a very liberal definition of the word "need". ;)

Looking forward to the rest of your review, and to many more posts in the future. :thumbup:
 
Welcome aboard.

You're doomed. Just wanted you to know that.

I first came to blade forums because of someone on another forum mentioning the 15" Ang Khola. I actually spent almost 4 years thinking it over (before I came here). Part of that was because the website doesn't say you can order Chiruwa handles on anything, you just may have to wait. See, I wanted 15" of blade, meaning a 20" kukri. But them I made the mistake of coming here, finding out that they would do a custom, and ordered the CAK that I had been war-gaming for years. It only took 3 weeks or so to come in, maybe a month (which surprised the hell out of me that a custom order from Nepal would be here that fast). Of course in the time it took for the custom to get here, I had already ordered 2 more kukris and a Tarwar (you need a tarwar, by the way). In the first couple months I spent well over a grand on HI blades.

Re the tang: technically, all HIs are full tang. Full tang being by the original definition, in that the tang goes the full length of the handle. The Chiruwas are the full, exposed tang blade. I also prefer the Chiruwa style. However, if you browse the deals of the day and such, every so often a blade comes up for sale with no handle on it. Look at the tang -- even the hidden tangs are huge. You'd break most knives before you'd break an HI hidden tang. In fact of the few kukris broken, I can't remember one that broke at the tang. So don't let that be a deal breaker.

You'll also find no sympathy or help here in curbing your spending. In fact, most will encourage you to buy more, so that a particular item is bought before they succumb to the urge to buy it themselves.

One final note: kukris get insulted if you don't use them. Beware of an insulted kukri.
 
Welcome! I look forward to the rest of your story.

And Cpl is right...you are doomed, as am I. What started as 1 Khuk, has wound up as 6, and I ain't done yet. :)
 
Hey and welcome,like Cpl said yer doomed but in a good way.

Personally the only problem I have with HI is some of the things are too heavy,a sword is ment to be liter then,say,an ax the upside to this is the fact if you do connect with one it's all over!

I'm also a sucker for the forge scale stuff,it's simple but the kind of simple that's ment to be used!

If you want some fighting Khuks try something like the Kobra or Sirupati,I've not tried one but the recent Villager I bought is akin to a Sirupati on steroids and,my,that sucker is fast!
 
Continued from above...

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(The handle is attached to the tang both with a natural glue and with pins. I would assume that it is a metal rod pounded over to create a rivet, but it might just be a metal rod epoxied in.)

The bolster, which I swear is also part of a bed, is made of brass. One nice detail is that the area of the handle it wraps is slightly thinner; this creates a smooth transition for your hand between the two. It may seem like "duh" detail; but I've seen, and felt, knives where such consideration wasn't taken into account.

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There is a little bit of "overhang" on the butt cap. I don't know if it needs to be of a certain size before it classifies itself as a pommel... It isn't much, and it's only the very middle of the sides. If you were to drag your finger perpendicularly across the edge of a vertical piece of paper; it's about like that. So is it machine fit? No, but it's still darn impressive considering that everything is hand made. I don't know if there is a small section of the tang that is peened over on the "Chiruwa" style of handle, or if it's just ground off.

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(You can see that small dot of silver in the middle of the brass. I assume that's part of the tang.)

To give you a better sense of the size of these Khukuri, from end to end they are about an inch short of reaching from the inside of my elbow to the tip of my middle finger. If you know me what I just said was helpful, for the vast majority of people it probably wasn't, but pretend it was anyway.

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(My hands look weird in these pictures... Oh well.)

Also included with each Khukuri were two little knives. They both carry a slight forward curve similar to the one on their big brother. They average roughly 5 1/2" long and roughly an 1/8" thick.. I have to say that the fit and finish on these is not as nice as it is on the Khukuri itself.

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There are two blades. The first one is essentially a small knife while the second one is a small knife that has been shaped, but it hasn't been ground to any kind of bevel. Using my super logic I've come to the following conclusion. The Khukuri evolved as a weapon for killing people you didn't like. The small knife was for killing people you really didn't like. And the dull one? Well, that was reserved for people you really really didn't like. People you wanted to take days killing. There's a small history lesson for you folks.

Aside from that, as you can see one of my small knives has a crack in the handle, and one of the others has a raised section of grain on the handle. Are these issues I have any intention of complaining about? No. I didn't buy the Khukuri for the accessories and I'm completely happy with what I bought. I'll reserve judgment (because for all I know they were damaged in transit), but it would be nice if they were as beautiful as the Khukuri they came with. It should also be noted that only two of the four little blades have flaws. Again, not something worth complaining about for me, but something worth mentioning for others.

(Read: Don't buy the cereal to get the color changing spoon inside.)

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(Note: Just checked my e-mail and the Tomahawk was sold before I could get to it... My heart is sad but my wallet is safe. Sigh.)

It should also be noted that my camping buddy bailed on me last minute. So while I was planning to go play with these today in the woods--I don't get to. Which makes me sad. Anyways, back to the review.

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The sheath, scabbard, holster, 100 Year something? (or whatever it might happen to be), is very well made as far as I can tell. Everything is tight and the blades fit well. The two small accessory blades can knock together when you sheath them so be aware of that. I'll let pictures do the talking for most of this section because I'm even more ignorant of all things involving sewing than I am with short handled, long bladed, sharp objects.

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(There is a small amount of bunching on one of them. Everything else looks great.)

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(One of the sheaths has a little excess epoxy/glue, that leaked out from the edge of the brass end cap.)

One thing I would like to see on the HI Store is this. You have a little pull down tab that lets you pick whether you want horn or wood for your handle. I think it would be great if you could pick between a left and right handed sheath. I know that each sheath is made for to fit a certain blade, but it's currently incredibly hard to dual wield and pretend that I'm far more awesome than I actually am. One thought is to make a two piece sheath. Have the main section consist of the belt loop, the holder for the two little blades, and a larger loop for the blade's sheath to tie into. That way a left handed person, or someone like me, could simply untie the sheath, flip it 180 degrees, and tie it back in. I don't know how awful and awkward and complicated it would make things for your stitchers (or how much hate you for asking) but it might be something to think about.

In conclusion I'm very happy with my purchase. And as soon as I learn the ideal RC hardness for a swords spine, blade, the strongest way to make a tang, and how to functionally combine a Kobra with a Falchion I fully intend to order more. My only suggestion to Yangdu in regards to customer service is to e-mail people and let them know if you're out of stock on a certain thing. I ordered horn handles twice, and got wood handles twice; which really isn't a big deal. But it would have been nice to know before the packages arrived. ;) I generally like to make life easy for other people, but I also like being given the option--even if I don't plan on using it. I hope that makes sense. That being said, both my cat and I feel that we got more than our moneys worth. So thank you Yangdu and please pass on my compliments, and my thanks to the Kami who made my blades.

Edit: I'm an idiot. Here's the deal--before my AK Khuks had arrived, I was already talking with Yangdu about upgrading to CAK Khuks. Nonetheless, when they arrived I opened up the box, pulled one out, and fondled it for a little while before repacking it in the box. The AK Khuks were shipped back in the same box they arrived in, and subsequently my CAK Khuks were shipped in that box once more. However, this time I actually opened up the entire box. Inside was a note apologizing for the lack and horn handles and an explanation that wood handles had been sent instead. I thought that this was a reference to the CAK Khuks; it never crossed my mind that the note was originally included with the AK Khuks.

When that mentally combined with the raised "grain" on one of the Kardas, and some milky brown swirls on one of the handles (that look like grained wood) I just assumed that I had a highly polished, black wood for the handles. However, since that time I have yet to see any other wood handles even remotely similar. And it suddenly dawned on me that, like I stated in the very first line, I'm an idiot. So the real story is that I ordered horn handles twice, and got wood once not twice. So Yangdu, again, has my apologies. End Edit.


I will also be cross posting it on the paintball forum I frequent. They love odd, old, and unique stuff, and they tend to create forum fads. About a year ago someone bought a straight razor and soon everyone had to have one. So maybe HI will get lucky and we'll have a sword/large knife fad next. This review was brought to you through ignorance, comma splices, and sleep deprivation. Please forgive any glaring errors in syntax, grammar, spelling, and/or punctuation.

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Duzzy, welcome to the forum! Those are some nice pictures and the start of a good review/story. I look forward to reading more and the other pictures. Please post as many as you can.

I notice from the first few pictures that your Chiruwa AK has a nice curve to the handle and curvy handles are my favorite. Thats one Awesome looking Khukri. Check out the M43 when you get a chance, they come standard with a Chiruwa style handle, about 17" to 18" Long and very curvy.

By the way, The "Kink" in the spine where it curves forward is called the shoulder. And the hollowed or concave part of the blade by the spine is called a Fuller. It reduces weigh while keeping things strong and looks really cool. :)

I agree with Cpl Punishment, a Tarwar for your first sword sounds like a good fit for you. Wish I had the cash for one, they are awesome!!

Heber

Heber
 
This is looking like it will end up just as bad as backpacking at paintball in terms of buying things I don't actually "need".

Remember the old saying, "Better to have, and not need, than to need, and not have." I still haven't been in a camping situation that requires my M43 yet, but just in case......


And although I am now in the unenviable position of having to disagree with the Good Corporal, I'm not thrown by your use of the term, "full-tang" to describe a chiruwa or panawal handle. In every knife source i've read outside of this Forum, they distinguish between "full-tang" and "through-tang."

Yangdu would probably flip out, if she knew about the handle problems on the karda and chakmak, but you're right, you probably shouldn't. Besides, those little "character marks" are what proves it's handmade!

And lastly, don't feel bad about wanting to tell stories; I do it CONSTANTLY. I have far more, and more complicated, thoughts than I can type effectively, it seems. Welcome aboard.
 
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Duzzy,

first: welcome.
second: very nice writing style. Fun to read.
third: the Karda (think "K"=knife) the Chakma (think er..uh..."C" doesn't = knife) are the names of the small, slow killers you talked about. The karda is alledgedly for small cutting chores, but I've never seen one well made and don't care. The chakma (remember "c" doesn't stand for small knife) is to run along the cutting edge to do field sharpening from stone bruises or dulling from use. Original design did not consider diamond sharpeners in the hills and valleys of Nepal, used chakma instead.
Fourth: You may not know it, but you've just started what may be a new family tradition, or at least acquired some future heirlooms.
 
Diz that "small dot of silver" is the tang,it's peened down to hold the buttplate on.

All Khuks have it.
 
There are two blades. The first one is essentially a small knife while the second one is a small knife that has been shaped, but it hasn't been ground to any kind of bevel. Using my super logic I've come to the following conclusion. The Khukuri evolved as a weapon for killing people you didn't like. The small knife was for killing people you really didn't like. And the dull one? Well, that was reserved for people you really really didn't like. People you wanted to take days killing. There's a small history lesson for you folks.

The two accessories are the karda and chakma.
The karda, is a small knife, and is the sharp one.
The dull one isn't a knife, it's a supposed to be a sharpening steel that you run along the edge to straighten it out if you roll the edge. Most aren't hardened enough to really do this.

Other than on the YCS, which has carved handles on the two kardas (I believe both are sharpened on the YCS), the karda and chakma are usually made by apprentices, whereas the kukri itself is made by the kamis. So the quality of the karda and chakma will vary.

As for the overlap on the pommel plate, it's probably due to the handles shrinking int he dry Reno weather. That can also cause the cracks that happen on some handles. It's just an artifact of using natural materials. Also, on Chiruwa handles, once the scales stabilize for your area, you may have to file the tang down to meet the wood, so you don't have it sticking above the wood.
 
I don't think I'll be doing any filing on the handles. I move around a lot (I work in theatre) so if I did that I'd probably regret it in the next place I live. One of the reasons I was hoping for horn handles was so I wouldn't have to deal with the maintenance of wood. In the end though, it isn't a big deal.

Thank you all for the input and the advice and the warm welcome. And thank you again Yangdu. I'm off to bed for a quick nap before a job-hunting I go.
 
I have an oddball - a 20.25" Sirupati which only weighs 24 oz, putting it virtually in the same classification as a Kobra of similar length. My oh my this is a fast one and it's very agile.

But what's really odd about it is it came with two kardas. That's right, two kardas and no chakma... and the wood material on both of them was kinda rough like a villager finish.

I'll have it on me later tonight. Me and a couple friends are going to be out in the woods in a more remote location.
 
But what's really odd about it is it came with two kardas. That's right, two kardas and no chakma... and the wood material on both of them was kinda rough like a villager finish.


A friend of mine has a khuk like that, a memento from a trip: two near-identical kardas, no chakmak.:confused: It's funny that you should mention it, since I'm in the process of registering to IKRHS to talk about it.
 
the main difference with the HI thru-tang or rat tail, and the full tang 'chiruwa' scaled & riveted tang is that 1. the rat is a big rat, more of a kangaroo tail. and 2. the chiruwa style would take a pair of african elephants to break, where the thru tang would only take a pair of indian ellyfants. the chiruwa grip might last fifty years of hard labour, where the thru tanged grip might only last 4 or five decades. even the stub tang ones used by the villagers in nepal last for a few years before they get replaced, the blades go on forever or until they get sharpened out of existence. there is a vast difference between the cheap badly welded on wood screw tang you might see in the pakistani knock-offs and HI's.
 
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IIRC, I don't remember where it was, but I have read of kukris lasting 150+ years. Thes are the "rat tails". the handles break and fall off and have to be replaced, but the niether the tang nor the blade break.
 
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