This time the question is how does Queen knives compare to GEC?

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The title pretty says it all. How does the fit and finish of Queen knives, for example the Curly Zebra wood or Honey Amber Bone, compare to similar products from GEC.


I really like stainless or near stainless (D2) steels which explains my questions about Queen and Canal Street knives.
 
The title pretty says it all. How does the fit and finish of Queen knives, for example the Curly Zebra wood or Honey Amber Bone, compare to similar products from GEC.


I really like stainless or near stainless (D2) steels which explains my questions about Queen and Canal Street knives.

I don't own any Queens but have handled some at the store. I think there quality, fit and finish is close to GEC but not quite there. Queen is a step above my Case knives but not quite GEC. GEC that I own have a stronger pull and just feel higher quality in my hand. They just feel solid.
 
I just bought a recent production queen serpentine jack that is tight with no gaps a nice medium pull and actually sharp out the box.

That is my first since the takeover in the past it was hit and miss.

I would buy from a dealer who will handpick one for you and has a good return policy in case you arent totally happy.
 
The few I've had are every bit as good. They just don't offer as many patterns and combinations of blades/scales etc. The Honey Amber Bone is pretty gnarly.... you shouldn't loose your grip. Their D2 is good stuff, but it almost like stainless steel.
 
that's a good question.
personally i would like to know how the Queen Mountain Man Lock stacks up against the #72.
the #72 is smaller right?
If you have the Queen Mountain Man Lock, how's the fit and finish of it?
 
I own but one Queen knife- a Big Cheif- I like it.
 
I cant knock Queen, they have made some absolute beauties, and I think that they are a quality outfit for sure - they out-do Case knives ( I am talking modern production ).
GEC, in my opinion are in my opinion one of modern days best Cutler firms, the embrace Traditional patterns, as well as modern, their quality is second to none. GEC are heading the game in a big way.
 
I own over a dozen Queen knives, more than any other brand. And I am about to buy more.

While the overall fit and finish is a bit lower than that of GEC, they are still very fine knives.
  • I can buy a Queen 4" stockman for about $65. That's quite a bit less than a GEC stockman pattern.
  • NOBODY does Honey amber stag bone as well as Queen. It is my all time favorite cover material. But, they don't offer as many cover selections as GEC.
  • The pulls are a consistent "medium". GECs are often way hard.
  • Can be bought with D2 blades in a goodly number of patterns. D2 is one of my favorite alloys for knife blades. Significantly better edge retention than 1095, or even 440C. GEC only makes a few patterns in 440C.
  • Haven't tried a Queen made since the buyout. Those made earlier frequently have the infamous Queen butterknife edge. They take some work to put into good shape, but once there are just totally awesome.
  • All the queen knives I own have springs which are exactly flat in both open and closed positions.
 
Frank,

This may be old news, but what hardness does Queen run their D2?

You kind of sold me on giving one a spot in my collection. I have a few 1095 queens but you got me thinking on the D2.

Also, I remember seeing some of the queens have pinned shields. Is there a series that also has beefed up pivot pins peened proud over the bolsters?

I would be interested in this feature for a working traditional.

Thanks for any info.

Kevin


I own over a dozen Queen knives, more than any other brand. And I am about to buy more.

While the overall fit and finish is a bit lower than that of GEC, they are still very fine knives.
  • I can buy a Queen 4" stockman for about $65. That's quite a bit less than a GEC stockman pattern.
  • NOBODY does Honey amber stag bone as well as Queen. It is my all time favorite cover material. But, they don't offer as many cover selections as GEC.
  • The pulls are a consistent "medium". GECs are often way hard.
  • Can be bought with D2 blades in a goodly number of patterns. D2 is one of my favorite alloys for knife blades. Significantly better edge retention than 1095, or even 440C. GEC only makes a few patterns in 440C.
  • Haven't tried a Queen made since the buyout. Those made earlier frequently have the infamous Queen butterknife edge. They take some work to put into good shape, but once there are just totally awesome.
  • All the queen knives I own have springs which are exactly flat in both open and closed positions.
 
AG Russel say they run it at 58-59. I don't have any data of my own.
 
Frank,

This may be old news, but what hardness does Queen run their D2?

You kind of sold me on giving one a spot in my collection. I have a few 1095 queens but you got me thinking on the D2.

Also, I remember seeing some of the queens have pinned shields. Is there a series that also has beefed up pivot pins peened proud over the bolsters?

I would be interested in this feature for a working traditional.

Thanks for any info.

Kevin

As far as I know, the "premium" Queen knives like Schatt & Morgan have pinned shields.

Queen's standard production Curly Zebra wood handled knives have pinned shields. The amber stag bone standard production knives have glued shields.

The "workhorse" series of four patterns with 1095 blades and delrin handles have the exposed pivot pins.
 
I currently own two Queen knives and both predated the Daniels buyout of the company. My Mountain Man (single blade lock back-Model 3L BEM) is a gorgous knife and every bit as good as the GECs. As a single blader, but large, you can still pocket carry it if you choose too, but it is a big folder.

My hunter fixed blade was un-impressive. Took be a good while to sharpen it to my liking the first time. Other than that, I like the knife, but it really is one of their economy fixed blades.

I would not hesitate to buy a Queen slip joint if the knife appealed to me.
 
The few Queen knives I own have some liner gaps and all but one came pretty dull. I believe they were all made prior to 2012.

Although I like GEC, I prefer Queen knives.

Why? I seldom carry my GEC knives because they're too dang hard to open. The Queens all open much easier. The Queen knives generally look better to me. That's subjective, I know. But the amber stag bone is incredibly beautiful. The curly zebrawood shows a depth of colors and complexity of figuring that's pretty awesome. The Queens cost a little less as well.

The D2 steel is a bonus but I kinda like 1095 for ease of sharpening. Once the D2 is sharp, it's easy to keep sharp but that initial sharpening can be irritating. And 1095 takes a nice quick patina while D2 just takes on slow light stains.

All the Queen knives I own have pinned shields.

Where GEC bests Queen is in the seeming myriad of pattern choices.

For me, Queen makes a knife that's reasonably priced, easy to open, looks great and is made of excellent materials put together well. I'll buy more in the future.
 
Iff (nerd speak for if and only if) you want a dealers opinion continue (if not skip rest of post).....

The question can only be answered in general as it depends on when the Queen knife was made. They have went thru a very rough spell from, say 2010 until very recently. Starting around the time of the first Heritage series Queen had a marked decline in fit / finish on their knives. They had a couple of bad designs before that, but as far as just getting lazy on finishing a knife it all set in at once. And this continued until just a few months ago in my opinion. The last few batches (as in, last 45 days) I have gotten in have been very nice f/f and impressive factory edges. The ACSB and CZ have maintained a relatively sweet f/f, but the new/re-introduced patterns over the last couple years have been hit and miss. GEC early knives were a little rougher, but it has been more of a consistent improvement with them as compared to an up/down momentum.

One problem is that unless a Queen pattern was just made in a single run, the customer really doesn't know when it was made. I had a couple of large batch buys (because price increases were looming) from 4 and 6 years ago, that I am still selling out of instead of buying recent stock. And I have Schatt & Morgan knives that were tucked away for 12 years or so. So, trying to pin any given knife to a production timeline would be very complicated.

Now, specifics. Queen is not as bothered with an open backspring as GEC; so don't expect Queen's to be watertight from any era. Queen seems to get most of their bone from Culpepper, at least the old ACSB came from there; although it's appearance has been a little more rough (seeing router swirls a little). But I agree it is my all time favorite bone. GEC used Culpepper a little early on and called this jigging brimstone or carved pumpkin (lighter dye). I wouldn't expect significantly different feel between the mountain man and GEC lockbacks, as the same guy probably engineered both. Both will have a slight amount of play fairly consistently. They get their heat treat at the same place; so expect excellent heat treat from both. GEC spends a little more time on pins, so expect smashed (flattened and separated a little) pins on Queen smooth slabs; not a functional difference - just cosmetic. But you will see sunken pins a little more on GEC if that bothers you.

So, generally, the f/f on GEC knives is higher. But there are little things that each individual will prefer one over the other. And GEC's tend to run a little higher in price, in my opinion, respective to the f/f. But in comparing the "value", I would say they are very close if you pick your pattern carefully.

I try very hard to suppress personal opinion when I write posts like these; but if you feel you are getting that vibe - my apologies up front. I know the people at both places and consider them all my friends. But many times I feel as though a dealer has a different perspective, although it has been expressed many times on this forum that they should just keep it to themselves ;)
 
I love my Queen mini trapper and stockman in honey amber bone. I need to try recent production. I'll have to see who has some!
 
One area that I think Queen is better is that they generally have some of each of their patterns in production at any point in time, so that you don't have to wait to get a particular pattern even if you have to settle for a cover that's not exactly what you wanted. GEC may not make a run of a particular frame and blade combo for a couple years or more, maybe close to never. Note: This is based solely on my uninformed personal experience. e.g., the 66 jack is a great pattern and they may only make for a while and then you have to watch and wait. Again, this has been my experience. Queen seems to have their knife patterns going more or less continuously.

It is okay to disagree with me about this. Indeed, if my experience doesn't match yours, I'd like to hear about it. I like both brands, but I have a lot more GEC than Queen.

Ed J
 
One area that I think Queen is better is that they generally have some of each of their patterns in production at any point in time, so that you don't have to wait to get a particular pattern even if you have to settle for a cover that's not exactly what you wanted. GEC may not make a run of a particular frame and blade combo for a couple years or more, maybe close to never. Note: This is based solely on my uninformed personal experience. e.g., the 66 jack is a great pattern and they may only make for a while and then you have to watch and wait. Again, this has been my experience. Queen seems to have their knife patterns going more or less continuously.

It is okay to disagree with me about this. Indeed, if my experience doesn't match yours, I'd like to hear about it. I like both brands, but I have a lot more GEC than Queen.

Ed J

You are correct. GEC makes a specific variant and if/when they make it again depends on how it does the first time. If it sits in their inventory for a year, they don't rush to make another run. But if it seems to sell well, they will generally make it again within a year or so. They have been known to make really popular patterns after just a couple months.

Queen doesn't really keep stock in any given run, but does do runs once they are out of stock and have a certain number of orders stacked up. If I order a particular knife, I will generally get it within 6 months. Thus, it is easier for dealers to plan ahead and keep most patterns in stock.
 
Wow! a wealth of information! Thank you everyone for your responses. I love the D2 steel of Queen knives but there are some patterns that GEC and Northwoods have that I like a lot. So many choices.
 
I think the dealer perspective is fantastic as it is not as limited in scope relative to most knife users. Thank you Mike.
 
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