This week's eBay find...

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Just how wrong can one be when identifying a knife? Pretty wrong from what I have seen and experienced. And I am wrong quite often myself.

This knife I found on that auction site is misidentified six ways from Sunday. Please refrain from contacting the seller while we discuss it.

B-52 & B-58 PILOT'S BAILOUT SURVIVAL KNIFE

A SCHRADE-WALDEN FIXED BLADE HUNTING STYLE KNIFE, MODEL 148,
FOR USE ON U. S. AIR FORCE B-52 AND APPARENTLY LATER ON
THE B-58 AS A PILOTS BAILOUT KNIFE.

IT HAS A UNIQUE FEATURE FOR FIELD SHARPENING,
A NARROW STRIP OF CARBORUNDUM (silicon carbide crystals)
HAS BEEN APPLIED TO ONE EDGE OF THE BLADE.
I'VE NEVER SEEN THIS ON ANY OTHER KNIFE.

I AM NOT SURE WHERE YOU CAN AUTHENTICATE IT, BUT POSSIBLY IN ONE OF
M H COLE'S BOOK ON MILITARY KNIVES. I PURCHASED THE KNIFE FROM
THE LATE ROBERT W (BOB) HEDDEN, A CLOSE FRIEND AND NOTED
U. S. MILITARY KNIFE COLLECTOR.
BOB CO-AUTHORED THE BOOK "LIGHT BUT EFFICIENT" A STUDY OF THE
M 1880 AND M 1890 INTRENCHING KNIVES AND SCABBARDS.
THE BOOK IS CLASSIFIED BY "THE COMPANY OF MILITARY HISTORIANS"
AS A STANDARD HISTORICAL REFERENCE WORK IN AMERICAN MILITARY HISTORY
THE LABEL SEEN ON THE BACK OF THE SHEATH IS IN BOB'S HAND

A SINGLE UP SWEPT BLADE WITH AN APPROX 1/8" WIDE, THIN COATING OF
CARBORUNDUM APPLIED ALONG THE CUTTING EDGE ON ONE SIDE.
THERE IS A SERRATED THUMB REST ON THE TOP REAR OF THE BLADE.
THE BLADE MATERIAL APPEARS TO BE STAINLESS. THERE IS SOME
FINE PITTING ON ONE SIDE NEAR THE GUARD. THE PITTS APPEAR
TO HAVE BEEN POLISHED OVER AT TIME OF MANUFACTURE.

HANDLE - HIDDEN TANG WITH DYED JIGGED BONE SLABS.
HILT - BRASS WITH RED, BLACK AND BRASS SPACERS.
POMMEL - POLISHED ALUMINUM WITH RED, BLACK AND
BRASS SPACERS

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Does anyone see anything wrong with this listing? :confused:
 
Well, let's see if I can guess a few and not be wrong too:

The 148 was never a military knife, and no military knife of that era had staglon (not bone) scales regardless.

It's Tungsten Carbide

The edge was supposed to be everlasting and not require sharpening

The red spacers likely put it in the Sears knife category, maybe Ted Williams?
 
Coorreectt! I have a mint specimen on Larry's site..".Everlast Edge Tungsten Carbide" etched on my blade.and I think mine is a Ted Williams Sears but I would have to look at it again..I also have one without the Tungsten Edge because the owner did not know he was never supposed to sharpen it!
Codger's example probably lost the etch when he buffed and cleaned it as they disappear pretty quickly with a clean......Hoo Roo
 
I believe the error lies in the sheath. If I recall correctly, the authentic military sheaths were issued in black. The brown sheaths were not issued with this knife until a few years later and were designed for use exclusively with the Cessna 150.
 
Bridgy, I have a S/ Walden military issued with flaming bomb acceptance mark on pommel in original brown sheath with the extra military rivet issued in the early 50's...what time frame are you thinking?
 
Larry, my apologies. Micheal has a new hobby, making us all chuckle at some rather errant eRape listings. I was simply adding my silly two pence worth.
 
LMAO Bridgeman! :D:D Had me going there too until I saw the Cessna reference.

Larry, that was the H-15, wasn't it? Now there was a military issue for sure, with swedge;)

Eric
 
I like the statement that the blade pitting was probably buffed over at time of manufacture
 
Yes Eric...H-15 with parkerised blade and hard leather ring scales...and leather sheath with extra rivet..blade at least twice as thick as the civilian Bowie Hunters which so many fleabayers insist were Military issue......I also love all the Schrade Walden Military from WW11...whats that?...war ended in 1945 and Schrade Walden came into being in 1946.....lets not let the facts get in the way of a good War Story??......Hoo Roo
 
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Ha! You guys are just too fast for me anymore! :D

The seller's first problem is that he bought the former owner's story. In part, I can understand this because he knew and respected the owner who, according to him, had some expertise in military knives. However, knowledge of military knives, like Schrade knowledge, has grown by leaps and bounds over the past ten years.

Seller took the owner's I.D. stickers at face value. WWII is stated on the knife sticker. Schrade Walden didn't exist until Baer bought the Schrade Cutlery Company in 1946, after that war. Sheath sticker is no closer. And I am not so sure it is even the correct sheath. My knife like this has the "deer-fish-bird" embossed sheath with foldover belt hanger. As I think we all realize, collectors often pair knives with wrong sheaths, more often with estate sales when non-collecting family members sell the collections.

Staglon, not bone is right. This particular example seems to have some dye fading of the Staglon when I look at both sides.

Yes, the extra guard spacers are a pretty good tell of the SFO customer. The stock production knife had only the single metal guard. This one adds three spacers to the guard mirroring the butt spacers. My unbuffed example has the etch Larry mentions which is a clincher, Ted Williams signature followed by EVERLAST EDGE over Tungsten Carbide. And it does have the tungsten carbide coated blade right edge.

So the Schrade Walden pattern number is 148STC, produced beginning in 1967 using the Robeson FlameEdge process where the tungsten carbide was fired at high speed and impact-adhered to the edge.

My only real remaining question is about the "pits" the seller mentions. No doubt his example has been buffed back to "Kentucky mint", but my knife has it's original factory surface and also shows some tang pits on blade right, opposite the tang stamp. Shall I speculate about these? It obviously isn't corrosion. My best guess is that the tangstamp die struck the bottom plate in the press leaving marks in it which then transfered to the blades when they were struck with the die, or... the bottom plate was just not well polished to begin with, or...tungsten carbide bits contaminated the base plate during production. Another possibility is that the clamping jig used by the vendor who applied the tungsten carbide coating (Union Carbide?) was not polished well (or had some TC residue on it) and left those marks. They aren't very apparent except under strong light.

I'll look for something more challenging next time but good work guys!:)

Oh, and the airplane wasn't the Cessna 150 I learned to fly in, it was a L19/O1 Birddog:

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I saw a movie once where a birddog pilot dropped grenades from his observation plane, so I guess it was a bomber. There airplanes were made for the U.S.Airforce by Sears in their airplane factory next door to their knife factory.
 
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Awesome post Michael, it's great getting into these discussions. I hadn't even noticed the WWII reference, which by the way predated the B-52 by around fifteen years.

Larry brings up another good point concerning military issue sheath knives, they were never buffed and shiny. Might as well be carrying a mirror around with you to alert the enemy as well. They were always coated or dulled, unless they were dress knives.

Eric
 
An "Entertaining Auctions" thread could be a sticky as far as I'm concerned. I have seen some incredibly ridiculous/entertaining listings over the years, and disappointed I did not save some of them. I love it when someone puts a "Little Extra Jam On The Bread", and even more so when they likely believe the tale.
 
The description "Genuine Derlin" Yes Derlin!! Always maked me laugh!!

Russell
 
The description "Genuine Derlin" Yes Derlin!! Always maked me laugh!!

Russell

Or, if a higher class knife, I like Sandbar Stag too. These terms will really cause a guffaw if you hear a dealer use them at a Gun and Knife Show. I saw a listing once that described what part of the country the Sandbar Stag resides in. It was in the Southern US believe it or not.
 
Or, if a higher class knife, I like Sandbar Stag too. These terms will really cause a guffaw if you hear a dealer use them at a Gun and Knife Show. I saw a listing once that described what part of the country the Sandbar Stag resides in. It was in the Southern US believe it or not.

Didn't David Bowie get into a knife fight over a Sandbar in Louisianna? :confused:
 
I'd like to have seen David's blue hair explained in a newspaper clip from the day.
 
......you're showing your age lrv..<most would not even know who David Bowie was>....I guess yours would have turned blue too at the sight of all them Mexican soldiers storming your fortress at the Alamo.....Hoo Roo
 
......you're showing your age lrv..<most would not even know who David Bowie was>....I guess yours would have turned blue too at the sight of all them Mexican soldiers storming your fortress at the Alamo.....Hoo Roo

lol come on dude I'm 15 and I know who David Bowie is
 
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