This Week's Haul

Jack Black

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I’ve had a few interesting finds this week, nothing spectacular, but all inexpensive. The large Butcher’s knife has a 10” blade, to give an idea of scale.









First up is this William Rodgers clasp-knife. It has just the single blade, originally a Sheepsfoot, now almost Lambsfoot! There’s no screwdriver either. Because of the lack of the can-opener, it’s very light, and despite a lot of use, is still pretty solid.

The William Rodgers name goes back to 1830, but the business was acquired by Sheffield cutlers John Clarke in the 1870’s. Clarke’s ceased trading in 1983, with the Clarke and William Rodgers names being acquired by the Eggington Group, who also own the right to use the Wostenholm-IXL and Joseph Rodgers names.

















This must be one of numerous attempts by Sheffield cutlery firms to emulate the Swiss Army Knife, which ranged from the poor to the pathetic. While this is quite an interesting find, I’d put it in the lower end of the spectrum. All but one of the blades are carbon steel. Both knife blades are sharp enough, but the carbon one has to be dug out as the nick sits below the liner. Presumably, it once rested on the belly of the blade, which has since been ground away. The knife has seen plenty of use, so perhaps it was a good companion. However, any attempt by Sheffield cutlers to compete with the big Swiss manufacturers on price was bound to result in an inferior product. The longer knife blade has some very feint etched lettering, but I’m unable to make out what it says. The tang stamp of the stainless blade says, simply: ‘Stainless’ above ‘Sheffield’ above ‘England’. I’m not surprised nobody wanted their name on this one.













A step-up in terms of quality is this scout knife, which bears the name of the German cutler Kaufmann, producer of the legendary Mercator K55, and indeed ‘K55’ is incorporated into the etched logo on the tang. Despite a small amount of rust and wear to the covers, the blades appear to have seen little, if any use. Some form of logo once adorned the mark side, but this has either worn off, or been deliberately erased by sanding. Bearing in mind the uneven wear to the covers, I suspect the latter. Even with the help of a strong magnifying glass, I am unable to make out the name, which sits within a border, ‘MOLLER’ possibly. In the centre of this word, within a separate border, and in much smaller writing, is the word ‘KIPPER’. The pile side of the knife is more heavily worn or sanded, also unevenly, so perhaps there was some form of logo here once as well.







I’ve not seen a folder bearing the name of Tramontina before. This large stainless hawkbill appears to have seen plenty of use, but is still nice and solid. Clearly an inexpensive knife, but nice enough for what it is, and an interesting find in my opinion.









This old wreck has seen better days, with one of the covers completely missing. The tangs are completely unstamped, and the spine of the clip-blade is unusually shaped. I don’t think it’s been manufactured in England. The spine of the clip reminds me a bit of the Douk-Douk. The nick of the secondary blade now rests inside the liner. Might make a good project for someone!









This knife came in the same job-lot as the wreck above, and also lacks any form of tang stamp. The covers are OK, but one of the blades is broken right back at the tang. The other blade sits proud of the covers.





This early Richards lacks the bright or garish covers often seen on such knives, it’s actually very plain. Despite a lot of use, the blade is solid, and sharp. Not bad for a Richards knife.



Only a little smaller is this Richards Pen-knife, which appears to be unused.









I regularly come across Richards knives in this pattern, either in carbon-steel or (later) in stainless. Like the last of the knives pictured in the first post in this thread http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1097217-A-Few-Recent-Finds though, this older knife, does not bear the Richards logo. It is marked, very simply, ‘Sheffield’ above ‘England’.





I used to come across these Richards pipe-tools regularly, but as soon as I offered to get one for one of our members, they seemed to dry up! This is the first I’ve seen in months. My dad had one when I was a kid, but I’m not sure he ever carried it. It lived with his pipe-cleaners in a box under the mantelpiece. Looks like another old boy either kept his in the house or in his baccy pouch, and slipped a nut over the ‘poker’ to make opening it easier.





This cheap stainless Penknife was clearly made in Sheffield as a promotional item for the old Glasgow firm of Donaldson & Filer Ltd. It does not bear the name of the Sheffield firm which manufactured the knife, possibly at the request of the customer, The tangs are simply stamped ‘Stainless’ over ‘Sheffield’ over ‘England’.













Far better in terms of quality is this gent’s knife made by Humphreys Radiant for Thornycroft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thornycroft ). It’s seen plenty of use, and made at least one trip to the grinder unfortunately, but is still solid. The nail file appears to have been used as a match-sriker or pipe scraper.







This common key-ring pattern has been produced in Sheffield for decades, also sometimes as an advertising knife. It’s a cheap stainless knife, but this is as good an example as I’ve ever found.



Sadly, there’s no blade to accompany this folding button-hook, but I thought it might be of interest anyway.











I was pleased to find this old Joseph Eliot & Sons Butcher’s knife. A classic blade.









Last is what I think is a Baker’s knife, ‘The Incorrodible’ made by J Gregory & Sons from “Spanish Silver”.

The Hunt Continues!

Jack
 
Flippin'eck Jack! Some smashing finds there.
You really have dropped on since your dry spell a few months back.

(Unfortunately a few pics here and there didn't load for me, mainly the deployed blade shots :()
 
Thanks for showing your plunder to us Jack! I absolutely love those old tang and blade stampings. The Tramontina looks like a pretty decent knife! Cool finds:thumbup:
 
Thanks guys, appreciate the comments :)

Jack
 
Thanks guys, appreciate the comments :)

Jack
 
Hi Jack, nice haul as usual. The red scaled sak imitation seems to have the name 'pradel' etched on the blade. It's not a real pradel however since they should be made in France. A lot of fake pradel knives out there. There is some great info on them on some eBay buyers guides. Just google pradel and you'll find them. These wannabe saks with a pradel name etched on the blade pop up regularly on the french eBay. Love the clasp knife and the majority of the Sheffield blades. Good use left in many of them!
 
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Hi Jack, nice haul as usual. The red scaled sak imitation seems to have the name 'pradel' etched on the blade. It's not a real pradel however since they should be made in france. A lot of fake pradel knives out there.thre is some great info on them on some eBay buyers guides. Just google pradel and you'll find them. These wannabe saks with a pradel name etched on the blade pop up regularly on the french eBay. Love the clasp knife and the majority of the sheffield blades. Good use left in many of them!

Thanks for the info my friend :thumbup:

Very interesting :thumbup:
 
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Great stuff, Jack. Now if memory serves, the clasp knife with no tin opener would be Navy rather than Army? Or does the lack of the screwdriver make it neither?
 
That red cover Swiss knockoff maybe be rubbish, I'll take your word on that one, but it sure looks very, very nice. I could see the original owner carrying it soley for that reason, even with the quality issues.
 
Great stuff, Jack. Now if memory serves, the clasp knife with no tin opener would be Navy rather than Army? Or does the lack of the screwdriver make it neither?

Not in this case Jer, the Navy knife is much bigger. After the war, various firms continued to make clasp knives in various forms, both for the Army, and for civilian use, and indeed they're still made today. So this could be a post-WW2 civilian model.

That red cover Swiss knockoff maybe be rubbish, I'll take your word on that one, but it sure looks very, very nice. I could see the original owner carrying it soley for that reason, even with the quality issues.

For me, it's an interesting find, but virtually every blade has significant wobble, the spring on the stainless blade is completely shot, the others are all weak, the carbon knife blade can't be opened except with other tools, and you could see your way up a mountain by looking through it! Maybe it was just used hard! :)
 
Great stuff Jack!
"incorrodible" that is a word. But from this moment forth anything I encounter that can never be eaten by crocodiles will be known as incorrodible.
Is it an alloy of the words "incredible" and "corrodible"?
Basically it means stainless.
The "Sheffield Swiss army" is that one of the Regimentals series? I have one that's in really good condition. It came with a leaflet that outlined each knife.There are six in all starting with one blade and moving up to a seven blade one with tweezers and toothpick like a SAK multi tool. Each one in honour of a British Army regiment. Looking at your pic and the one in front of me yours looks older and mine is Joseph Rodgers and quite a good knife. What a shame they never made one for the Ghurkas(to which my father in law was attached).
cheers.
 
Not in this case Jer, the Navy knife is much bigger. After the war, various firms continued to make clasp knives in various forms, both for the Army, and for civilian use, and indeed they're still made today. So this could be a post-WW2 civilian model.

The persistence of that spike continues to astonish me.
 
Busy week... eh ? I think that the Joseph Elliot is a rough diamond. I think you should re-scale it.

Mike

For me, that's the real score Mike :thumbup:

Great stuff Jack!
"incorrodible" that is a word. But from this moment forth anything I encounter that can never be eaten by crocodiles will be known as incorrodible.
Is it an alloy of the words "incredible" and "corrodible"?
Basically it means stainless.
The "Sheffield Swiss army" is that one of the Regimentals series? I have one that's in really good condition. It came with a leaflet that outlined each knife.There are six in all starting with one blade and moving up to a seven blade one with tweezers and toothpick like a SAK multi tool. Each one in honour of a British Army regiment. Looking at your pic and the one in front of me yours looks older and mine is Joseph Rodgers and quite a good knife. What a shame they never made one for the Ghurkas(to which my father in law was attached).
cheers.

I'm not sure exactly what the "Spanish Silver" is. It does have some speckling, and notice the verdigris around the handle. It cleans like silver, brass, or pewter. Will have to investigate further :)

I think this is an older knife than the Regimentals Meako, and an inferior one. I remember regularly seeing various SAK copies in Sheffield. Be interested to see a pic of your knife :thumbup:

The persistence of that spike continues to astonish me.

It's actually surprisingly useful! :D

All very interesting!
Nice haul.

Looks like a great score Jack!

Thanks fellers :)
 
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