Thoughts on a plain edge on a smaller ...

[RafaelHerschel]

... rescue knife? I would like to see a plain edge Spyderco Rescue 79 mm or Spyderco Saver Salt. (In yellow or orange.)

The Spyderco Salt 1 PlainEdge comes close (and is one of my favorite knives for EDC), but I have a preference for a genuine sheepsfoot blade on a marine knife.

Ideally I would like a small plain edge rescue knife, with a smaller blade thickness than the current models. 2 mm like the Centofante would be ideal.

Rafael

 

[The Deacon]

... rescue knife? I would like to see a plain edge Spyderco Rescue 79 mm or Spyderco Saver Salt. (In yellow or orange.)

The Spyderco Salt 1 PlainEdge comes close (and is one of my favorite knives for EDC), but I have a preference for a genuine sheepsfoot blade on a marine knife.

Ideally I would like a small plain edge rescue knife, with a smaller blade thickness than the current models. 2 mm like the Centofante would be ideal.

Rafael

I'd definitely be in for at least one, and probably a few, of either of those models in PE. Figure they'd be perfect candidates for Tom Krein's full flat grind and wharncliffe treatment.

Paul

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[jlamb]

I would think that most folks who would be interested in a rescue type blade would prefer serrations. I know that when I was really into whitewater kayaking, the only thing that I would want on my PFD was a serrated blade. This probably has more to do with the marketing machine than anything else, but it seemed everyone had a serrated blade for quicker cutting. Now that I am more educated on knives, I know that a pe would do just fine in most situations. This all goes back to who is going to buy the rescue knives and what are their preconceptions about what a rescue knife should be.

 

[The Deacon]

I would think that most folks who would be interested in a rescue type blade would prefer serrations. I know that when I was really into whitewater kayaking, the only thing that I would want on my PFD was a serrated blade. This probably has more to do with the marketing machine than anything else, but it seemed everyone had a serrated blade for quicker cutting. Now that I am more educated on knives, I know that a pe would do just fine in most situations. This all goes back to who is going to buy the rescue knives and what are their preconceptions about what a rescue knife should be.

You are absolutely correct, which is why most of them are configured that way. What you're overlooking is the collector market, which favors plain edged blades for purely esthetic reasons, and those of us who feel sheepsfoot and wharncliffe blades are suitable for non-rescue uses where they prefer a plain edged blade. I don't think anyone would seriously suggest Spyderco ditch the serrated versions and go exclusively plain edge, or even that they produce the plain edged version on a regular basis. But a Sprint Run would sure be nice.

Paul

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[Itch Blade]

Then you're not asking for a rescue knife. You're asking for something like a Kiwi.

Saber ground with a thick blade is desirable. There is less flex, so the blade "tracks" well through straps and rope, a desirable trait with live meat around. Also, a serrated blade has no point (even a PE of the same shape ends up with something you stab with, unless you round the secondary grind at the tip)

The beauty of Spyderco's rescue knives come from their functionality..That said, I love the toothy alligator look.

 

[Knife Crazied]

Any knife made by Spyderco with Orange and PE is a must have for me. :thumbup:

 

[The Deacon]

Then you're not asking for a rescue knife.

Exactly, just a plain edged knife based on a "rescue knife". What's your point?

You're asking for something like a Kiwi.

Not really, the Kiwi's blade is around 2.5", the Saver Salt/79mm Rescue a hair over 3".

Saber ground with a thick blade is desirable. There is less flex, so the blade "tracks" well through straps and rope, a desirable trait with live meat around. Also, a serrated blade has no point (even a PE of the same shape ends up with something you stab with, unless you round the secondary grind at the tip)

Desirable for whom, for what? Not for me, not for my uses.

The beauty of Spyderco's rescue knives come from their functionality..That said, I love the toothy alligator look.

Very true. No need to feel threatened, nobody's suggesting eliminating the serrated versions. Just making a few in plain edge. If it helps put you at ease, on the off chance Spyderco should decide to make some, I promise not to put a gun to your head and force you to purchase one.

Paul

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[Itch Blade]

Exactly, just a plain edged knife based on a "rescue knife". What's your point?

Not really, the Kiwi's blade is around 2.5", the Saver Salt/79mm Rescue a hair over 3".

Desirable for whom, for what? Not for me, not for my uses.

Very true. No need to feel threatened, nobody's suggesting eliminating the serrated versions. Just making a few in plain edge. If it helps put you at ease, on the off chance Spyderco should decide to make some, I promise not to put a gun to your head and force you to purchase one.

Paul

Hi Paul,

I'm just much a proponent of PE sheepsfoots as anyone, look back at some of my posts where I ask about them.

I was simply providing the reasoning against such a design, not trying to actually oppose such an idea.

As for the Saber grind, you are asking for a knife based on a rescue platform. It's obvious (in my mind) such a design would use a Saber grind. As far as I can tell, it's one thing to ask for a non-serrated blade (the omission of a step) and a whole different animal for FFG. (I'm simply assuming FFG was in mind, based on the other requests, it sure is for me!)

As far as what he's asking for, the Kopa is the closest knife..Asking for a "rescue" knife with a 2mm blade, FFG, (again, my assumption/preference) and PE is simply too far removed from the rescue blade concept. I think for a PE rescue blade, our best bet is a UKPK, since the batch size is smaller, and the production more flexible.

I'm not feeling threatened, and it would take a heck of a lot more than a gun to my head to STOP me from buying such a blade!

Sorry if my first post came off with a bad attitude, I was simply providing some input.

In my mind, the most feasibly way we can get such a blade (inexpensively) is the UKPK. Here is my original thread on this topic at the factory forums.

http://www.spyderco.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43616&highlight=Ukpk+rescue

Again, sorry for being unclear.

Ted

 

[goodeyesniper]

plain edge would definitely be nice, not sure about thinner and FFG.

I doubt you would notice much of a difference cutting a rope or seatbelt with serrated vs sharp plain edge. All my knives are plain edge, and can cut through any of those like butter.

 

[The Deacon]

Hi Paul,

I'm just much a proponent of PE sheepsfoots as anyone, look back at some of my posts where I ask about them.

I was simply providing the reasoning against such a design, not trying to actually oppose such an idea.

As for the Saber grind, you are asking for a knife based on a rescue platform. It's obvious (in my mind) such a design would use a Saber grind. As far as I can tell, it's one thing to ask for a non-serrated blade (the omission of a step) and a whole different animal for FFG. (I'm simply assuming FFG was in mind, based on the other requests, it sure is for me!)

As far as what he's asking for, the Kopa is the closest knife..Asking for a "rescue" knife with a 2mm blade, FFG, (again, my assumption/preference) and PE is simply too far removed from the rescue blade concept. I think for a PE rescue blade, our best bet is a UKPK, since the batch size is smaller, and the production more flexible.

I'm not feeling threatened, and it would take a heck of a lot more than a gun to my head to STOP me from buying such a blade!

Sorry if my first post came off with a bad attitude, I was simply providing some input.

In my mind, the most feasibly way we can get such a blade (inexpensively) is the UKPK. Here is my original thread on this topic at the factory forums.

http://www.spyderco.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43616&highlight=Ukpk+rescue

Again, sorry for being unclear.

Ted

And I'm sorry if my response was a bit over the top. I'm not really disagreeing with you. While I strongly prefer plain edged knives for general purpose carry, I know there are some jobs where a serrated blade works better. For that reason, there's always a serrated Salt of one kind or another tucked in my Patriot's center console and if I was looking for a gift for a first responder, I'd choose something serrated. I also agree that on such knives a saber grind is, if not preferable, at least equally acceptable.

What I was pointing out is that my reasons for wanting a plain edged version of the C45 or C118 are totally different. I have some fairly strong likes and dislikes when it comes to knives and no aversion to paying the "my way" tax when doing so will get me what I want. The Centofante 4 does not appeal due to its lack of a 50/50 choil and there's no way to fix that. The UKPK Rescue does not appeal because it lacks a lock, another perceived flaw which cannot be corrected. On the other hand, the shape, size, and midlock of the 79mm Rescue and it's H-1 variant, the Saver Salt, make them very appealing as a starting point for a 3" full flat ground wharncliffe.

I would also point out that, while you and I agree, not everyone does. Interestingly, the first knife Spyderco marketed specifically as a first responder knife was the Paramedic version of the Mariner and it was plain edged. IIRC, part of the logic for that was that an already panicky victim might feel threatened by a serrated blade. There may be situations where the most efficient tool for the job is not necessarily the "best".

Paul

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[RafaelHerschel]

Although I love knives with a serrated edge, a (very) sharp plain edge knife often has a real advantage when cutting rope. At least in my experience.

For prolonged work I prefer serrated (less sharpening required), in an emergency I rather use a plain edge knife, provided it’s really sharp.

The exception: some types of rope made for maximum wear resistance are very difficult to cut with a plain edge.

Rafael

 

[Itch Blade]

And I'm sorry if my response was a bit over the top. I'm not really disagreeing with you. While I strongly prefer plain edged knives for general purpose carry, I know there are some jobs where a serrated blade works better. For that reason, there's always a serrated Salt of one kind or another tucked in my Patriot's center console and if I was looking for a gift for a first responder, I'd choose something serrated. I also agree that on such knives a saber grind is, if not preferable, at least equally acceptable.

What I was pointing out is that my reasons for wanting a plain edged version of the C45 or C118 are totally different. I have some fairly strong likes and dislikes when it comes to knives and no aversion to paying the "my way" tax when doing so will get me what I want. The Centofante 4 does not appeal due to its lack of a 50/50 choil and there's no way to fix that. The UKPK Rescue does not appeal because it lacks a lock, another perceived flaw which cannot be corrected. On the other hand, the shape, size, and midlock of the 79mm Rescue and it's H-1 variant, the Saver Salt, make them very appealing as a starting point for a 3" full flat ground wharncliffe.

I would also point out that, while you and I agree, not everyone does. Interestingly, the first knife Spyderco marketed specifically as a first responder knife was the Paramedic version of the Mariner and it was plain edged. IIRC, part of the logic for that was that an already panicky victim might feel threatened by a serrated blade. There may be situations where the most efficient tool for the job is not necessarily the "best".

Paul

We are brothers in disregard of the "my way" tax for such a blade!

Thanks for the cool little tidbit on the Paramedic Mariner.

Ted