Thoughts on PM2, Manix2 and Mini-Grip

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I love the Axis Lock and had been wanting to try other locks that I had heard were also easy to use one handed. I finally broke down and purchased A Spyderco ParaMilitary 2 and a Manix 2 Lightweight. Before my order shipped I was also able to call and have them throw a mini-griptilian in the order.

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Comparing these knives isn't apples to apples but since I got them all at the same time it is hard for me not to make some comparisons. Since these are 3 popular knives that everyone knows about I want go into great detail but just give my impressions on these knives I have owned the last 3-4 days.
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I will start with the PM2. This was the key piece to my purchase. I know they are hard to find and I was looking at something else and saw the KC had some in stock so I jumped at it.
The ergonomics on this knife are great. It is not a small knife but it is still very lightweight for the good construction that it has. The digicam grips are kinda cool and different. I have seen reviews on this knife and I don't question it's durability, but holding this knife and as light weight as it is it boggles my mind that it can be such a well built knife. I guess that is a testament to Spyderco Engineering.
I am still in the middle of the road on the compression lock. It is nowhere near as slick and easy to use as the Axis Lock, or even the ball bearing lock for that matter. What I do like about it though is it's simplicity. It is the one lock out of the 3 that you look at and think why the heck didn't someone come up with this many years ago. For those that worry about Omega Springs or ball bearing cages breaking then the Compression Lock would be at the top of my list.

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Next is the Manix2. This is a unique knife to me. Unlike the PM2 I would not want to put this knife through a lot of stress. The lack of liners would seem to relegate it to light duty use, which is fine but this is still a pretty good size knife.
Now that may sound to some like I am knocking it but really I have a use for a knife like this. Most lightweight knives I have are on the smaller side. This knife keeps the positive of being lightweight but is large enough for people with large'ish hands to get a nice grip a feel comfortable using it. It is perfectly capable of handling most people's day to day chores for an edc. I first looked at the wire clip and thought it looked cheap. Then you use the wire clip and learn it is a great functioning piece of this knife. Everything on this knife is done to keep weight down and it is done well imo. I am not real familiar with the blade steel on this knife so I am anxious to see how it holds up. In all honesty though I think to be a great value that this knife needs to sell for atleast about $10 cheaper.
The ball bearing lock is really very similar to the Axis Lock as far as user manipulation. I don't find it to be as smooth as the axis lock. I would rate it ahead of the compression lock as far as ease of use but I think the compression lock is better in other ways.

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Now for my last minute throw in knife, the mini-grip. I really wasn't expecting to like this knife. I really only got it because it seems everyone likes it. I am the kind of guy that my favorite knives are usually ones that aren't the most popular. For example the 300SN Flipper. This knife doesn't get near the praise it deserves imo...but back on topic. This was the last knife that I spent much time with because as I said, I really wasn't looking that forward to it. Boy was I wrong in that. This could be my favorite of the 3. It is about as small as I would want a knife to be and still be comfortable to use for me. The Axis Lock is buttery smooth just like all my other knives with the axis lock. Of all the complaints I hear about the grips feeling cheap they just don't bother me. The knife feels good in the hand. My mini-grip blade is a little off center. It isn't rubbing or anything so I don't know yet if I will send it back. It doesn't really bother me and unless it starts rubbing the liner I will probably just keep it.

Here is a little test I did cutting up some food. I just wanted to compare how these knives sliced. I was fully expecting the Spyderco's to blow the mini-grip away. I have not sharpened any of the knives so they are as is from factory.
The PM2 was the clear winner here. I chuckled a few time at how thin I was able to slice with it. It cut through like butter. Second place surprisingly to me was the mini-grip. Even with the shorter blade it was almost able to keep up with the PM2 and out did the Manix 2 with ease. I was a little dissapointed with the Manix 2. It did fine but you could tell it was just in a way different class. It did not slice through as easily as the other 2 knives. Maybe after I sharpen it I will see an improvement.

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Hey Ford, interesting read. These were actually three of my first knives. I told you on another thread that I would let you form your own opinions before giving mine. Turns out your opinions mirror mine almost exactly. I will point out a couple of things Ive come to see differently, as I have used the knives more.

First, about the locks. My first experience was with the bm and I was an instant fan of the axis lock. Smooth, strong and simple to operate one handed. What I think you will discover over time though is that the compression lock is right on par as far as one handed use. You just have to adapt your technique a bit. I have actually come to prefer the action of the compression lock for one handed closing. Couple that with the plethora of ways to use the spyder hole for opening and I prefer the one handed operation of the pm2 to the mini grip...but both or excellent. The manix lightweight actually comes in a distant third. I like the lock but even after tons of use, mine is still a bit stiff. It works fine one handed, just not as smooth and effortless as the other two.

The other observation I have is on the steels and sharpening. I'm a bit obsessive about sharpening and like to get an extreme hair whittling edge on my knives. You know which of these steels I think takes the most wicked edge? The bd1 of the manix. Closely followed by the bm and the s30v last. Don't get me wrong, they will all get stupid sharp, but I can get bd1 to a truly ridiculous level. And I can do it with very little effort. The other two steels will hold a working edge longer, but the edge holding of the bd1 really isn't bad either. Everyone is different, but I would rather have a slightly softer steel that takes a finer edge since i usually touch up my edges pretty regularly. That steel is actually my favorite thing about the manix.

Anyway, those are all great knives IMO, and you should enjoy them all...but spend some time playing with that pm2 before you pass judgement on the ease of use of the compression lock. You'll see what I'm talking about soon.
 
Hey Ford, interesting read. These were actually three of my first knives. I told you on another thread that I would let you form your own opinions before giving mine. Turns out your opinions mirror mine almost exactly. I will point out a couple of things Ive come to see differently, as I have used the knives more.

First, about the locks. My first experience was with the bm and I was an instant fan of the axis lock. Smooth, strong and simple to operate one handed. What I think you will discover over time though is that the compression lock is right on par as far as one handed use. You just have to adapt your technique a bit. I have actually come to prefer the action of the compression lock for one handed closing. Couple that with the plethora of ways to use the spyder hole for opening and I prefer the one handed operation of the pm2 to the mini grip...but both or excellent. The manix lightweight actually comes in a distant third. I like the lock but even after tons of use, mine is still a bit stiff. It works fine one handed, just not as smooth and effortless as the other two.

The other observation I have is on the steels and sharpening. I'm a bit obsessive about sharpening and like to get an extreme hair whittling edge on my knives. You know which of these steels I think takes the most wicked edge? The bd1 of the manix. Closely followed by the bm and the s30v last. Don't get me wrong, they will all get stupid sharp, but I can get bd1 to a truly ridiculous level. And I can do it with very little effort. The other two steels will hold a working edge longer, but the edge holding of the bd1 really isn't bad either. Everyone is different, but I would rather have a slightly softer steel that takes a finer edge since i usually touch up my edges pretty regularly. That steel is actually my favorite thing about the manix.

Anyway, those are all great knives IMO, and you should enjoy them all...but spend some time playing with that pm2 before you pass judgement on the ease of use of the compression lock. You'll see what I'm talking about soon.

Thanks for the response, yeah I remember the other thread. I think you are right about the Compression Lock. I think if I had bought it before I had ever owned an Axis Lock I would have fallen in love with it. The Axis is just so easy to use. I do like the simplicity of the Comp lock better. I am going to give it a fair chance. I really like the knife, I like all 3 knives. Each fills a little different niche. Still they won't kick my Adamas out of my pocket for edc, but I do have a rotation of knives that I carry on the weekends.
 
Yup, I like them all too. If I could only keep two of them, it would probably be the pm2 and the mini grip...and that's coming from a diehard spyderco fan. I just never quite warmed up to the manix, even though I do really like the bd1 steel.
Also, I agree with what u said earlier too. I've heard several people say that the grip handle feels cheap. Not my impression at all. Feels like a very well made little knife to me.

p.s. I don't know what it would take to kick that Adamas out of your pocket, but I just ordered the spyderco Gayle Bradley! I've heard great things! Ill post my thoughts when I get it.
 
p.s. I don't know what it would take to kick that Adamas out of your pocket, but I just ordered the spyderco Gayle Bradley! I've heard great things! Ill post my thoughts when I get it.

Funny you mention that because I was just thinking, I wish Spyderco would make a knife comparable to the Adamas with the Compression Lock. That thing would be a beast. That right now is about the only thing I could think of that would come close to replacing my Adamas.
 
The PM2 is one of my favorite folding knives. My FRN manix 2 is probably 2nd behind my PM2 for my general uses. The FFG blade is WORLDS better for flickyness......the saber ground blade on my regular Manix 2 just feels "heavier" on the "flick" if that makes any sense at all.....

Both of them are great slicers and don't weigh a ton.

You can't go wrong with any of the knives you bought.
 
I was completely apprehensive about the compression lock on my PM2, as I was coming from an Axis lock collection.

BUT...

After a few months of using my PM2 daily, the compression lock is just as easy to use as the Axis lock. Just use side of your pointer finger. If your pivot is set right, the blade will swing closed under gravity as fast, if not faster, than the Axis lock. My PM2 swings like a pendulum once the lock is released.
 
I was completely apprehensive about the compression lock on my PM2, as I was coming from an Axis lock collection.

BUT...

After a few months of using my PM2 daily, the compression lock is just as easy to use as the Axis lock. Just use side of your pointer finger. If your pivot is set right, the blade will swing closed under gravity as fast, if not faster, than the Axis lock. My PM2 swings like a pendulum once the lock is released.

I am still messing with it but I have yet to be able to get my PM2 set where the blade falls due to gravity without having to much blade play,
 
I am still messing with it but I have yet to be able to get my PM2 set where the blade falls due to gravity without having to much blade play,

Hmmmm, my experience is more along the lines of Cypress's...........and mine was a 2nd.
 
When I press the compression lock on my PM2 to close it , gravity closes it just as fast as an axis lock. The problem is that the blade pops out again, because the plunge line right above the notched area slams into the finger I use to press the lock. Are there any way to circumvent this problem?
 
When I press the compression lock on my PM2 to close it , gravity closes it just as fast as an axis lock. The problem is that the blade pops out again, because the plunge line right above the notched area slams into the finger I use to press the lock. Are there any way to circumvent this problem?

You can move your finger back some, but it requires more finger strength.
 
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