Three old merchant marks. I'd love opinions on one.

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Hi Folks
Just got these knives, all with merchants marks. I small 2 3/4 all steel 4 piece boys knife,marked Edw.K.Tryon
Philadephia, 1811 to 1952. A small sleeve board jack marked Shumate cutlery Corp St Louis, 2 3/4, nice jigged scales
in business 1884 to 1928. Finally and the one i'd like opinions on, a Pauls and Bros,Echo brand 1880 to 1900, jack.
According to Levine Pauls Bros had offices in German and NY, where wholesalers and Manufacturers, Levine says
the knives were German. I don't think this knife is of german manufacture, it feels and looks American to me. The bone
jigging is very much like the Rodgers bone used by Camillus IMO. See post 12 in this thread http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1030326-A-Question-About-Bone-Handles.
I'm hoping the blade shapes will help ID the maker, notice the clip type angle on the master spear and the same on the pen blade.
Any thoughts would be much appreciated.

Best regards

Robin

I Think the small Shumate Jack IS german, based mainly on the bone, open to opinions on this kinfe too.


 
I'm afraid I can't help Robin, but they are beautiful knives :thumbup:
 
Thanks Jack. The Pauls Bros is a very nicely built with solid 1/2 stops and I think the bone is amazing.

Best regards

Robin
 
Hey Robin, great looking knives. Here's Eagleton cutlery with similar blades, made in Germany at about the same era.
Having said that, I have no clue about yours :confused:

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Mike
 
Thanks Mike, that sure looks like a very similar Master blade. I Know i'm going to hell for questioning Bernards word :D

Best regards

Robin
 
Hi Robin, I look at it and it looks American to me also. You said they have offices in Germany and N.Y. It's possible the contracted knives from other knife companies in N.Y. Reminds me of a Hammer Brand. Similar pen blade and the jigging looks like a jack I had.
 
I Agree Steve, the entire knife feels American made and although I haven't seem them all, I've never seen bone jigging
like that on a German knife. You have to imagine that such a company would have knives made here with the new tariff act
coming in to play.

Best regards

Robin
 
NYK's pen blade usually have a long swedge going down 3/4 of the length on the other side of the nail nick and the tang or kick is rounded. I cant tell from the pics but the nickel silver on German knives tend to be more yellow also.
 
navihawk said:
NYK's pen blade usually have a long swedge going down 3/4 of the length on the other side of the nail nick and the tang or kick is rounded. I cant tell from the pics but the nickel silver on German knives tend to be more yellow also.
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NYK was another company that came to mind Steve. The pen blade has a nice long swedge that stops 1/4 inch short of the plunge.

Best regards

Robin
 
Pipeman said:
Finally and the one i'd like opinions on, a Pauls and Bros,Echo brand 1880 to 1900, jack.
According to Levine Pauls Bros had offices in German and NY, where wholesalers and Manufacturers, Levine says
the knives were German. I don't think this knife is of german manufacture, it feels and looks American to me. The bone
jigging is very much like the Rodgers bone used by Camillus IMO.


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Definitely looks American to me! I've seen very similar jigging on NYK, Empire, and early Schrade and Walden knives. Also the shield and pattern shape, blades and swedges, are right in that New York-New England-PA zone!!
 
What's the length of that "Pauls and Bros.", Robin??
 
Last night I was surfing the auction and there I found a Krusious <sp? that had similar blades
BUT exactly the same bone jigging pattern. The mystery continues.

Best regards

Robin

 
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Krusius Brothers was of course, a German manufacturer!
Curiouser and curiouser!:eek:
German manufacturers, often geared to the US market, tried to make knives that looked like American or Sheffield manufactured knives.
Perhaps they did a good job here!!??:confused:
 
waynorth said:
Krusius Brothers was of course, a German manufacturer!
Curiouser and curiouser!:eek:
German manufacturers, often geared to the US market, tried to make knives that looked like American or Sheffield manufactured knives.
Perhaps they did a good job here!!??:confused:
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I've been holding the knife up to the monitor for an hour. It's uncanny how much the pile side bone matches the Krusius.
It looks like the same machine did the jigging. See, that's what happens when one questions Bernard :D

Thanks Charlie.

Best regards

Robin
 
Hey Bro, Nice finds.

The Shumate Cutlery knife has New York Knife Co. written all over it. The scales are hand jigged bone.
The Paul Bros. knife has Camillus jigging on the mark side. The pile side looks to have been replaced at some point in it's life with an early 50's ? jigged bone.

The Krusious has hand picked bone that looks similar to the Shumate except the depth and symmetry are 180 degrees apart on the mark side of the Shumate.

This is just my opinion from what I have learned about old slip joints.

I will do a little more checking and consult with a close friend who has done far more research than I and see what he says.

All are great looking knives. :thumbup::)
 
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Goins says Pauls was an importer with an office in NYC, and another in Solingen as the manufacturer. Where that particular knife was made is anyone's guess.
 
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