Thrusting vs. Slashing Beer Cans - The Final Word

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Well, it turned out that I didn't have to work yesterday. I was in a bad mood and I knew just what would fix that: slaying some more beer cans. For this session, though, it was time to try some new things.

First up was the Everest Katana, of course. After a thorough cleanup, a few etch/polish cycles to bring out the temper line, a sharpening and some more cleanup (and it still reeks of laha), it was ready to go. A Satori-ryu backhand chop served to get me aquainted with the EK's handling...well, not really, but I wanted to do it at least once.

The katana was intended to be used with two hands so I figured I ought to try that at least a few times. One of those cool diagonal cuts seemed to be just the trick.

Remembering Dan Koster's request, I tried doing multiple cans in one pass with the Kobra. I tried six at first; it didn't go that well, but I did get five of them. (I also got quite wet.) Four seemed to be more realistic for my level of skill. I hope to do five, perhaps six, but the lack of blade length will make this very difficult for me. I'll practice this a bit throughout the week as more cans become available. The problem is that, target-wise, this is a very expensive cut. Now that I've got my neighbors trained to save their recyclables for me the supply of targets should increase.

What really had me thinking, though, was the recent thread on cutting vs. thrusting. As my own particular opponents consist entirely of beer cans and other recyclables, I found it very easy to test the two schools of thought under field conditions.

The Napoleon Sword seemed to be a good candidate for thrusting against beer cans. It looks quite easy but it took me a good twenty minutes of practice before I could reliably puncture the darned things. The thrust must land with plenty of force and it must strike nearly dead center, otherwise it merely skids off or rips the can. This actually seems to be an excellent exercise for developing thrusting accuracy and I plan on doing this a lot more. Set the can swinging for extra difficulty.

The Napoleon Sword also faired well against a plastic soda bottle under similar conditions; however, this was toward the end of the session and I was thrusting fairly accurately by then. I'm guessing it's probably a bit easier, as the tip should dig into plastic easier than aluminum.

But hey...the tip on that Everest Katana is pretty sharp. Although designed as a cutter, they supposedly thrust just fine. I decided to try it out. Test sat. I never missed a thrust with the EK - not to say that I'm skilled with it by any means, but the second hand vastly improves tip control.

Of course, if I'm going to be stabbing beer cans I can't very well leave out the seax.

My conclusion: slashes are more spectacular and probably more efficient against beer cans but both techniques are effective.

During last weekend's cutting session, I stumbled upon an unopened beer that had been left out in the sun for a day or two. Since it was probably skunked I decided to put it out of its misery with the Talwar. It wasn't as spectacular as I'd been expecting but it made a very cool sound: This is stupid.

I really need to get a new hobby. In the meantime, the game's starting in a bit and it's time to make some new targets. Enjoy.
 
Nifty.

I need to make a seax.

Sat, when you stab with it, the wedge forces the cut down, correct? I sometimes wonder if seax were meant to be used edge-up, like the old broken-back bowies. Then the wedge would work for you and you could reach the heart without having to go through the breast-bone.
 
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Somehow the thrusting was disturbing...picture instead of water running back down the blade...um...you get the idea.

The Seax sticks in thrust mode while the Napolean doesn't...might be tough to withdraw if used in muscle mass. Can you buy a hog for testing purposes?

It would be fun to do a Napolean thrust, chop, thrust combination...

You are dropping your guard using the Katana...always follow through to proper position. You never know if you are fighting a *determined* can!


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pretty cool, never seen this before :D now if you could chop through that support on your porch... that would be most impressive :p
 
Thanks all for the comments.

Jeb - I didn't notice the back of the seax forcing the edge down but I wasn't paying attention to that - difficult enough to skewer the can. I would expect that it would. Regardless, it leaves a Pretty Damned Big Hole in whatever it's thrust through. About thrusting edge-up...well, it leaves you in a bad position for chopping/slashing and I'd think that the edge would hang up on the bottom of the ribcage before it reached the heart. Granted, my theories are based on dressing deer carcasses and reading anatomy books, so your mileage may vary on this. Besides which, I'm slicing up thin aluminum here and comparisons with flesh are probably not applicable. (One of the things I love about slicing aluminum - it has absolutely no bearing on theoretical use against live targets.)

If you're going to make a seax, make a langseax. Go big or go home. ;)

Nasty - my hand got far less wet than you'd think. I never had any grip problems. Water is not blood and beer cans are not living beings so a comparison probably isn't warranted here, but it's interesting that you bring it up. The vast majority of the water seemed to come off the guard (if present) or the index finger. I'll leave the hog comment alone. ;) Thrust/cut/thrust and some two sword maneuvers are in the works. As for dropping my guard, I'll state for the record that I've had no training in the Japanese sword arts (as should be evident) and I'm kind of winging it. (What I'm saying is, I had no idea that I was dropping my guard. Coaching is always welcome.)

Neosporin - that would be quite possible, but then the next video would be of my landlady using various thrusting and cutting attacks on me. I'll have to respectfully decline.

Glad everyone got a kick out of it. I should point out that this is all intended in fun and should not be taken seriously. (Nor should I, for that matter. I cut up beer cans for crying out loud.) The good news is, this was Superbowl Sunday and I'm now well stocked with targets for next week.

Now, if Shop #2 would make a run of koras, I could really have some fun here...
 
neosporin said:
pretty cool, never seen this before :D now if you could chop through that support on your porch... that would be most impressive :p


Um...*intentionally* chop through it that is... :eek:
 
Satori - your efforts are much appreciated.


I think we have a place for you on the website, if you'll take it. ;)
 
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