Ti Military

HotSwat

HotSwat

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The new titanium Military from Spyderco looks awesome. I want one, but I'm still paying off X-mas gifts. So to avoid buying it I've decided to focus on my one issue with the knife, which is the fact that it's a RIL instead of an intergraded Ti compression lock like the Ti ATR or the Ti Sage.

Am I the only one who would have preferred a Ti compression lock Military.
 
HotSwat said:
The new titanium Military from Spyderco looks awesome. I want one, but I'm still paying off X-mas gifts. So to avoid buying it I've decided to focus on my one issue with the knife, which is the fact that it's a RIL instead of an intergraded Ti compression lock like the Ti ATR or the Ti Sage.

Am I the only one who would have preferred a Ti compression lock Military.
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I wouldn't consider the RIL framelock a step down by any means but yeah, I do wish the Military was offered with compression lock. Then I'd get both. :D
 
HotSwat said:
The new titanium Military from Spyderco looks awesome. I want one, but I'm still paying off X-mas gifts. So to avoid buying it I've decided to focus on my one issue with the knife, which is the fact that it's a RIL instead of an intergraded Ti compression lock like the Ti ATR or the Ti Sage.

Am I the only one who would have preferred a Ti compression lock Military.
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Sage II is RIL. Sage I is Walker linerlock. The Ti Salsa was a frame-based compression lock, though.

gundude73 said:
what is wrong with a RiL? it is a strong lock
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Nothing in the world is wrong with a well-built RIL, and Spyderco knows how to build them, but the compression lock, especially the frame (rather than liner) version is a stronger lock. Check out an ATR.
 
I actually prefer the compression lock as opposed to the ril due to the looks. But if only they made a ti framelock with a G-10 slap opposite that would be oso sweet.
 
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jay2pointoh said:
I actually prefer the other frame locks as opposed to the ril due to the looks. I didn't know one was stronger than the next.
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Framelock is just another name for the RIL (Reeve Integral Lock). They're the same thing. The compression lock is the different kind of lock. I'd be curious myself to know just how scientific the claim is that one is "stronger" than the other.
 
HotSwat said:
The new titanium Military from Spyderco looks awesome. I want one, but I'm still paying off X-mas gifts. So to avoid buying it I've decided to focus on my one issue with the knife, which is the fact that it's a RIL instead of an intergraded Ti compression lock like the Ti ATR or the Ti Sage.

Am I the only one who would have preferred a Ti compression lock Military.
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A Ti compression lock Military wouldn't be a Military. It would be a Military sized Ti framed Para-Military. There's only two Spydercos that have offered Ti frame compression locks and they are the Ti ATR and the Ti Salsa. The RIL and and Ti framed compression lock would both be considered "framelocks" but they work on different principles. I would really love to see a Ti Para-Military.
 
JNewell said:
Sage II is RIL. Sage I is Walker linerlock. The Ti Salsa was a frame-based compression lock, though.



Nothing in the world is wrong with a well-built RIL, and Spyderco knows how to build them, but the compression lock, especially the frame (rather than liner) version is a stronger lock. Check out an ATR.
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well since the ATR is disco'd i think the TiRiL military would be fine.
 
I wonder if the RIL of the Ti Millie offers more strength than the liner lock of the classic Military. Sure, the contact area tends to be greater but the cutout of the locking bar (which allows for the sideway movement) is really quite big, and it's -if my reasoning is correct- here that a RIL is weakest. In this case it doesn't seem stronger than the original liner lock, which as everyone knows is totally dependable.
So, while the Ti Millie is cool, I'm not convinced it really offers something more over the classic one.
But still, I'm tempted :) It appeals more to me than a big Sebenza.
 
Dagon said:
I wonder if the RIL of the Ti Millie offers more strength than the liner lock of the classic Military. Sure, the contact area tends to be greater but the cutout of the locking bar (which allows for the sideway movement) is really quite big, and it's -if my reasoning is correct- here that a RIL is weakest. In this case it doesn't seem stronger than the original liner lock, which as everyone knows is totally dependable.
So, while the Ti Millie is cool, I'm not convinced it really offers something more over the classic one.
But still, I'm tempted :) It appeals more to me than a big Sebenza.
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I would think it would be stronger. I'm pretty sure Spyderco tests all their locks and puts them in different classes but I don't know if this information is published?

The lock having a bigger contact area means there should be less chance of the lock 'walking' when the blade is being stressed. Buckling also has to do with the cross sectional area and the length so while there is a small thinned section, the majority of the lock is bigger so it should be stronger than a thinner lockbar. There are multiple modes of failure and I'm sure it is all fairly complex. But I would be willing to bet the thicker frame lock is quite a bit stronger. I know I have seen very cheaply made knives with thin liner locks and they feel flimsy because of it.
 
I have a large Sebenza and a Spyderco Ti Military. I have to say that when either is locked open, they remind me of a Mission MPS10-Ti. which is a straight knife with a 1/4" thick blade. Bombproof! I dropped an S90V blade in the Military. Wish I could get one for the Sebenza.
 
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