Tightening pivot screw on BM knives query

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ok so I'd like some help clearing up another question of mine, I'm thinking of buying a BM 615 off ebay, and getting it shipped to australia. However I was talking to stOOge, a BF member, and he said that he got the pivot screw tightened on many of his imports and paperwork was not an issue.

So I was wondering, has anyone else ever done this, and if so, did you have any problems or sucess.

However I was thinking what if the spring inside of the axis lock were to be removed and posted to me at a later date, so that when the knife is reassembled, it wouldn't lock would it. or what would it do without those special springs? i'm not too sure

and sorry if it seems like i'm obessed with this knife, i just really want it,and i just don't want to have to fill out all the customs forms, or buy one with a black blade (my last resort)
 
There was a thread where a guy in Australia had a knife seized by customs and deemed to be a flick knife and the knife was going to destroyed.
Tightening the pivot screw should work but if they examine it further you might run into issues.
 
as i said in your other thread: i don't think this will help as regards to getting the knife into Australia via Customs. they look at the brand and model number then compare it to their Nasty List. they get a match, they look for the requisit paperwork to import. if they don't find said paper warfare, they Return To Sender.

where it WILL help is once the knife is here. if you can demonstrate to a nosey copper that it isn't a "flick" knife, they can't charge you with possession of same.
 
Same here and welcome to BF Damocles!

I recently shipped a 700 Tsunami over and tightened the pivot before sending and it arrived in prefect shape.

Am sorry to read about such tightness on the importing regs, sounds like some get through and some don't.

Cheers,
Joe
 
jkarp_53 said:
Same here and welcome to BF Damocles!

I recently shipped a 700 Tsunami over and tightened the pivot before sending and it arrived in prefect shape.

Am sorry to read about such tightness on the importing regs, sounds like some get through and some don't.

Cheers,
Joe
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i would hazard a guess that said packages weren't inspected by Customs on arrival. not every package is opened on arrival, actually, iirc less than 10% are.

you got lucky.

i'm prepared to bet that even with tightened pivot screws, had those packages been opened by Customs, they would have had conniptions and nasty men in blue suits would have come knocking on the door.
 
We have similar laws here in Canada regarding flick, switch blades, etc, though apparently not as stringent. When I ordered my 2 BM Mini Grips and 1 Ritter Mini Grip from the US I requested they tighten the pivot screws and I received them without incident. I don't recall if they were inspected once the crossed the border.
Good luck with your purchase!
 
@ Sambo
don't you get a letter in the mail from customs saying that your import was prohibitied and either "destroyed" or sent back to the sender?
 
JCK said:
@ Sambo
don't you get a letter in the mail from customs saying that your import was prohibitied and either "destroyed" or sent back to the sender?
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to be honest, i'm not 100% sure. i think that yes, they send you a letter saying your package has been returned/destroyed.

however, if said package contains something extremely illegal (like a Prohibited Weapon) or you have blatantly lied on your Customs Declaration Form, i rekon you'd find out about it when the Australian Federal Police come banging on your door at 5am waving Search and Arrest warrants.

seriously, before going down this particular path you must ask yourself the following question:

Am I Happy With The Thought Of My Folks Having To Come And Visit Me In Prison?

if that thought doesn't phase you, do whatever the hell you want. if you don't particularly wish to see your mum and dad in a prison visiting room: DON'T DO IT.


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NaturalMystic said:
We have similar laws here in Canada regarding flick, switch blades, etc, though apparently not as stringent. When I ordered my 2 BM Mini Grips and 1 Ritter Mini Grip from the US I requested they tighten the pivot screws and I received them without incident. I don't recall if they were inspected once the crossed the border.
Good luck with your purchase!
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again, i really don't think tightened pivot screws alone will get that knife past Australian Customs without the requisit Permit To Import.

i do believe that tightening the pivot screws might get you out of trouble once the knife is IN Australia. it may even count as being "permanently disabled", allowing you to carry said blade "with a reasonable excuse" (i have this Orange i wish to peel later officer.....")

the Australian knife laws are just ridiculous IMHO. they really, really piss me off.
 
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ok, but will that happen (prison and fed) if I try and import a BM 615 wihtout the b709 form, it will happen if I lie but what if I just try and import it without the form?
 
JCK said:
ok, but will that happen (prison and fed) if I try and import a BM 615 wihtout the b709 form, it will happen if I lie but what if I just try and import it without the form?
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then you are praying Customs doesn't look at the package closely and are taking a risk that the blade will be returned/destroyed and i doubt you will get a refund from the dealer.

and remember: you are talking about importing a prohibited weapon (i cannot stress this enough). the boys in blue suits tend to look on such activity with askance.

"Ignorance of the law is no excuse".

look, you might get away with it. in fact, chances are that you will.

however, if the dice roll against you and your particular package is chosen to be opened by Customs Officers, you could wind up in a whole mess of deep, deep crapola.

personally, i wouldn't risk it.
 
BUT, if I do put in the relevant B709 form and then import it, I'll have a better chance of getting it in?
even then my chances are maybe slim, 18 y.o. and not a bona fida knife collector :(
 
JCK said:
BUT, if I do put in the relevant B709 form and then import it, I'll have a better chance of getting it in?
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if you have the relevant paperwork, Customs will let the knife through. actually, if you have all the paper warfare sorted out, Customs has no choice but to let the knife through.

JCK said:
even then my chances are maybe slim, 18 y.o. and not a bona fida knife collector :(
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well, i think the chances of the QLD Police granting a permit to import a prohibited weapon to anyone under the age of ~25 is pretty slim.

join the AKC and voila, you are legally considered a bona fide collector. this will help you get the relevant permits, but again, as an 18 year old, i think you will get rejected.

by all means try it. the most you have to lose is the membership fee to the AKC (about AUD$30/year iirc). that's a lot less to lose than the whole AUD$200 knife (or, potentially, the next seven to twenty years of your freedom).

iirc: it's free to lodge those permit applications. so have a go and see what happens. you might get a sergeant in a good mood who signs off on it.

then again, you might not.
 
ok will have to do that tomorrow
also about the forms
do I need to bring in anything besides a printout of the knife from the BM website
Like a written statement what I'm going to use it for
or something like that

Also if a friend's dad is buying the knife on behalf of me, should I do the forms still and then he can buy it, or should he do it, especially if he's over 25 y.o?
 
JCK said:
ok will have to do that tomorrow
also about the forms
do I need to bring in anything besides a printout of the knife from the BM website
Like a written statement what I'm going to use it for
or something like that
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i have no idea. i've never tried to import anything on the Prohibited Weapons List. any knives i have that are borderline were all purchased in Australia prior to the law changes (and have all since been sold actually).

i'm sure the cops will tell you when you ask them for the formwork (or it should be listed somewhere on the website if you download the form yourself)

JCK said:
Also if a friend's dad is buying the knife on behalf of me, should I do the forms still and then he can buy it, or should he do it, especially if he's over 25 y.o?
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the relevant formwork needs to be done in the name of the person who is importing the blade.

if your mates father is prepared to do this for you, he will need to wade through the paper warfare and the knife will need to be shipped to him directly.

i would be careful in this position because HE will have the relevant permission to own said Prohibited Weapon, NOT you. YOU will also need to get the permission to own said blade. again, i think the problem is with the Axis Lock mechanism as it's classified as an "assisted opening" mechanism because of the spring in it. i think this is why Australian dealers are de-stocking Benchmade folders: they are too much hassle to have in stock.

the first port of call i would try if i was you is to join the AKC and ask a bunch of members there about their experiences with these models of knife.

mate, honestly, this is a freakish amount of stuffing around to have to wade through just for a knife.
 
hmm bring up some good points
what if I were to get the spring removed, wouldn't that disable the "assisted open-ess" of it and make it legal, or is the spring essential to the knifes operation plus is the fact it still locks still makes it prohibited.

and once you join the AKC, do you get access to other members contact details or something, or is there a forum?
 
JCK said:
hmm bring up some good points
what if I were to get the spring removed, wouldn't that disable the "assisted open-ess" of it and make it legal, or is the spring essential to the knifes operation plus is the fact it still locks still makes it prohibited.
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only a Police Weapons Licensing Officer can give you any kind of official answer to that.

ring 'em up and ask.

JCK said:
and once you join the AKC, do you get access to other members contact details or something, or is there a forum?
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buggered if i know, i'm not currently a member (havn't been for a while now).
 
sambo. said:
buggered if i know, i'm not currently a member (havn't been for a while now).
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Once i join can i unjoin after/IF i get my knife?

sorry if my stubborness is annoying you, just all new to this/ well more trying to understand it all
 
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