Tim Larkin Wants You to Know How to Kill

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This is not meant to invoke violence but i found Tim Larkin offered quite a refreshing side of defense.

http://www.asylum.com/2009/09/01/tim-larkin-wants-you-to-know-how-to-kill/

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-taught-me-to-kill-in-four-moves-1790034.html

"The person who survives a violent attack usually does so by fighting back and injuring the other person rather than protecting themselves," he adds. "When you look at the videos of real violence, real fights, it is the people who try to block or protect themselves that end up getting stabbed, kicked or punched to death."
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Pretty sure many in the forum are militants or martial artists. Please offer your thoughts about it.

Thanks:thumbup:
 
Very interesting article, good read. thank you for posting. I agree with his philosophy and it's very true. in my 27 years of training I learned the same ideas. if you want to hurt or kill me it's allot harder to just prevent you from doing so as apposed to fighting back and hurting you. you MUST control the situation regardless of how big or small said situation is. if your just raising your defense level to meet and not exceed your attackers then you will not fair well. if your attacker level is at say a 3 you must meet him with a 4 or 5 and so on.

Krav-Maga was and is very good in this area. his form of self defense and it's philosophy sounds allot like it. like Krav-Maga it sounds pretty sound.

Again - Thank you for the interesting read.

UPDATE: I just went back and read the second article that you posted. I had only read the first. Krav-Maga is mentioned a bit in the second article.
 
When I trained, I was taught that I should think of others, not just myself. "The next guy or woman a fool tries to mug or rape probably won't be trained. Make him hurt so much that he'll think twice if he gets another chance to attack a stranger. You may be saving someone you will never know."
 
When I was trained, I was told, the guy who looses is the one who fights fair.
Their are no rules when someone is trying to hurt you, make them stop it as quickly as you are able.
 
One day while in the US Marines we were training to be ambushed. The instructor said that most military training states that when ambushed, you should immediately take cover and return fire. Sounds reasonable. He went on to say that what we do is attack! Run right in the direction of the fire, yelling and returning fire as you go. I immediately questioned my decision to join such an organization but, I soon came to understand what they were talking about. The enemy wants you to lay down in the killing zone an become a static target. They can take their time and pick opportunities at their leisure. End result, you die.

You may die the other way too but, in this specific situation, being aggressive offers the "only" opportunity to live. I think Dr. Phil calls that a "life lesson."

Bill
Virginia
 
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I guess I'm just the selfish type. If I get in an altercation, all I want to do is get away. If my wife and daughter are in trouble, I may take it a bit farther.

To be honest, I specifically switched my EDC firearm to a revolver because I wanted something that was dead reliable in a reputable caliber. With my wife being pregnant over the last 3/4 of a year and the impending birth of my daughter, my idea of "martial" has changed. My duty is protect my wife and daughter. That doesn't mean winning a fight. It means getting away from or neutralizing the threat without ANY harm to them. The bad guy is getting my wallet and watch, and if that is not enough (hopefully) 5 slugs in the gut/chest, and I'll be getting the heck out of Dodge in the other direction.

I'm not classically trained in hand to hand. I'm fairly athletic, wrestled most of my life so I at least understand how the human body bends (or doesn't), and I'm familiar enough with small arms to feel competent that I could defend myself, but i can't risk the lives of my loved ones.

On a side note: Let's try to keep this one civil, right guys? Prac Tac this is not.
 
Tim Larkin is yet another quack trying to make a bunch of money selling a "system" he made up from what little he understood of other systems, repackaged and renamed.
 
Well, I understand and agree with his premise.

Like Shortwinger, we were taught the same thing in the Army (Airborne), don't know if the leg infantry does the same, but I assume they do.

Ambushed near?
Attack, attack, attack!

Ambushed Far?
Get off the X, return fire to pin them down, then use arty to lead you in to attack.

On the civilian side, I've gotten out of a few scrapes that probably would have left me dead, because I didn't defend myself like my attackers expected, I attacked them.

Sorry Steely, I know "just wanting to get out of there" sounds safer, it sounds more civilized and restrained, and it's also a recipe for disaster.

In my civilian encounters, none of them, not one, was a one-on-one encounter. Thugs PLAN on you trying to run and/or defend yourself, and have their help ready to intercept you, the main guy may, in fact, have his sole purpose be to drive you toward them.

Now, by taking the first guy, and knocking his [XXXX] in the dirt as fast and as hard as you can, you reset everyone's OODA loop (Observe, Orient, Decide, Act), and gain the initiative in the fight. It makes you the one who is in control, puts them on the defensive and greatly increases the chance of you and yours getting out unscathed. And it doesn't matter if your martial art is shooting or one of the various hand-to-hand methods.
 
I don't care about what is best for me in this situation if my wife and daughter are involved. They are getting out of there....period.

Also, keep in mind the situation. I'm not taking my wife and daughter, snoozing in her stroller, down a back ally at 1am. My encounters would statistically be a random bump in.

I'm also of the mindset that thugs are cowards. The hyenas of the criminal world. They prey on the weak. I do not present myself as a soft target in my build, dress, or posture. They would be targeting my wife and child, or would be targeting me only because of my wife and child. If I can get away, I'm getting away. I'm not saying running blindly, but my duty is to get them out of there. My wife cannot defend herself. My daughter can't defend herself. I can't take on a pack of thugs AND protect my family.

That said, if I get mugged at knife point, I'm pulling out my wallet and my .38 at the same time. He can keep the wallet if he feels brave enough to take it. One step closer and I'd level him.

I'm not saying that this sort of thing is not important nor useful to some. However, my priorities and situations have changed now. My likelihood of getting into these sorts of scrapes are much different than they were 5 or 6 years ago:D
 
I really don't care that much about the guy's theories. What I care about is 1,000 + years of battlefield and peacetime experience behind the "school." People who come from that particular background say: "learn to smell trouble coming and avoid it like the plague."
 
Steely_Gunz said:
That said, if I get mugged at knife point, I'm pulling out my wallet and my .38 at the same time. He can keep the wallet if he feels brave enough to take it. One step closer and I'd level him.
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Dude, he's already 20 steps too close. What you describe is brandishing a weapon in the hopes that you'll get left alone. Drawing and firing/stabbing/slashing need to be the same action. If you stop in the middle to assess his reaction you are very likely to die. Then who's going to take care of your loved ones?

Put simply, drawing a gun or knife does not occur until after a deadly threat has been perceived. Then everything else follows naturally until the threat is stopped.
 
Both verbally and physically, my self-defense principle goes like this: "You're gonna get what you dish out." You are only entitled to as much kindness, courtesy, or nonviolence as you show to others; it's the dark side of the Golden Rule. I therefore do not feel any obligation either to show "respect" to people who are rude...or restraint against violent assailants. I'm entitled, in my judgement, to use as much force as was used against me, and nobody else gets an opinion about it.

And this is a "bleeding-heart liberal" talking! I think you'll find that this opinion is pretty much universal.
 
IJ kind of have to call BS on this guy. I hate to do it, especially here (it's not Bullshido, after all), but I can't help my self.

Guy claims he was almost a SEAL (which is absolutly possible, don't get me wrong), and that after the diving accident that kept him from it he went into military intelligence where he helped the SEALS develop their fighting techniques. Thing is, MI doesn't do that job. There isn't a job for it in MI. It would be more likely that as an MI sailor, he was attached to a Naval Special Warfare unit, and was able to train with them, but he's misrepresenting things with the phrasing.

The other thing that gets me with this guy, is his easy dismissal of appropriate response. That's great for the first fifteen minutes after the attack, when you're swimming in the euphoria of winning, and being alive, but I bet it will feel pretty bad when you're spending time locked up on manslaughter charges. The fact is, the level of threat in a fight is constantly changing. Once the attacker is unarmed or unable to use his weapon, the level of appropriate response changes. It's negligent for someone to teach any form of combat arts without teaching that as well.
 
I agree with you Vodoo. If he claims to been involved in the Teams training,
it is fiction.

I was in the Teams 40 years ago, we had our own instructors.
 
DannyinJapan said:
"learn to smell trouble coming and avoid it like the plague."
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There is my personal tactic. If I stay alert, and avoid areas that could be problematic, say back ally's, crack houses and known high crime areas, I drop the likelihood of being attacked way down. And if I avoid the situation entirely, I won't need to explain anything to anyone.

Home invasion is a whole 'nother ballgame. There, they are on MY turf, and have invaded MY sanctuary, and will need to negotiate the maze of furniture, shoes, tools, cats and cat toys that I deal with every day. They will be at the disadvantage. They WILL be attacked and either be driven out, or be carried out. I have both knives and guns within reach in every room in the house. I have been trained in both, as well as being trained to level 3 in US Army Combatives.

Fair fights happen in a ring, with a referee, judges and an audience.
 
DannyinJapan said:
What I care about is 1,000 + years of battlefield and peacetime experience behind the "school." People who come from that particular background say: "learn to smell trouble coming and avoid it like the plague."
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Uh huh.

And the whole reason a person trains for any combative art is for when that fails.

Sometimes trouble comes looking for you.

I belong to another forum where news stories get posted regularly of people these days getting mugged, murdered, raped, etc in upscale neighborhoods. No longer do you have to head to the local crack house or 'hood to save an unhealthy dose of trouble come for you.

NOW WHAT??

That "now what?" is what you train for. And performing your responsibility to "get your loved ones out of there", like it or not will involve engaging one or more targets quite often. Apparently, some missed the part that by the time you are confronted with the guys you see, the others are already in position to prevent an escape. Want to get yourself or loved ones "out of Dodge"? Great. Learn how to take out those ambushers hard and fast. With a lot of the drugs these guys are usually on, "submissions" and "pain compliance" are either ineffective or take too long. Taking them flat out is the quickest way.

Are you setting out to kill someone?

If you can't stomach that proposition think of it as a "high probability of stop" move, that may or may not be fatal.
 
Actually, Coporal, I have found that, the longer people train in budo, the better they get at smelling trouble and avoiding it. Not only that, and this is the strange part, once you get to a certain level, trouble starts avoiding you.

It is an important point you bring up, about WHEN the fight has actually started. A lot of budoka have trouble understanding that, just because a kata says "start from a grab," or "start in kumi uchi," that does not mean that you have to wait for them to actually touch you before you move.
It is crucial that you do what must be done BEFORE you get into a no-win situation. People often ask me the "what if he's got you like this" questions, and I have no choice but to say "you die."

But the point of all this is that the ancient schools are more than aware of these ideas and the world does no need yet another guy trying to reinvent the wheel for profit.
 
Live in Malaysia, studied in the UK for 7 years.

In Malaysia, guns are illegal and so in the UK. When I went to the UK I was 16.

Every time some drunk and his friend leave the pub they attack me, evertime some football (soccer to US people) hooligan's tem loses they attack me and so on...

Initially I tried to rationalize my way out or talk/plead my way out but ended up in hospital more times I can count. Forget about the police they do nothing against their own people. Police reports is a waste of time and even with picture evidence as well as address of the assailant they still do nothing.

I'm quite fat then, can't run. Running means I'll be tired to protect myself. I learned to fight dirty. I used items which are non lethal but helped me stay safer. It was made worse when I got a gorgeous white girl (the kind or buxom babe which heads turn when entering a pub :)). It got worse then with the usual "you chinky bast$%d, you come here and take our jobs, take our wemmin folk etc...". I learn that fighting dirty is safer.

I can still type here and care for my two kids today is because I learned to protect myself. It is stupid to hope for human kindness or mercy in these times. You attack me and I'll make sure you pay for it, that is my understanding.
 
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