Time Between Normalizing and Hardening

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I work in my shop in the garage when I have time, usually at night after the kids go to bed and I should be in bed, so I’m trying to efficiently use my time. I’m making my first set of knives out of old files as well as 1080. The question:

Can I normalize (heat to non magnetic, air cool 3x) a set of knives and then harden/quench a few days later?

I’m setting aside a weekend day to quench and heat treat, as I understand it these processes need to happen close together to avoid issues.
 
Yes, that will be fine. The step you don't want to wait on is tempering after austentizing.
 
The terminology can get quite confusing! Normalizing is different from thermal cycling, but technically speaking "normalizing" is a "thermal cycle"! Actually ANY heat a blade sees could be a "thermal cycle"! But for our uses as knife makers and heat treaters...normalizing is done about 150°F hotter than it's hardening (austenitizing) temperature. For 10xx series steels, this is roughly 1600°F-1650°F. Normalizing is done to relieve forging/grinding stresses and to reset the overall grain/carbide structure of the steel. The grain may be big after normalizing, but it's uniform. After normalizing, we "thermal cycle" 3x at a temperature close to our austenitizing temp. For 10xx series steels this is around 1475°F-1500°F. This is done to help refine the grain structure by creating more grains in a given area/volume, resulting in a finer grain.
 
The terminology can get quite confusing! Normalizing is different from thermal cycling, but technically speaking "normalizing" is a "thermal cycle"! Actually ANY heat a blade sees could be a "thermal cycle"! But for our uses as knife makers and heat treaters...normalizing is done about 150°F hotter than it's hardening (austenitizing) temperature. For 10xx series steels, this is roughly 1600°F-1650°F. Normalizing is done to relieve forging/grinding stresses and to reset the overall grain/carbide structure of the steel. The grain may be big after normalizing, but it's uniform. After normalizing, we "thermal cycle" 3x at a temperature close to our austenitizing temp. For 10xx series steels this is around 1475°F-1500°F. This is done to help refine the grain structure by creating more grains in a given area/volume, resulting in a finer grain.

This is fantastic info. I've read that 1080 is a good beginner steel, it seems 1095 may be worth trying next although 01 sounds appealing.

Since I work in IT, lists and processes are how I think, here's a rundown of my processes -

Tools:
Portable bandsaw converted for table top use, for cutting profiles
Angle grinder
Rotary tool for finder grinding/cutting
Wen 4x36" belt sander
Harbort Freight 1x30" belt sander
Mini forge, made of refractory bricks, uses propane

Process (done):
If necessary, anneal (I began using my bigger mini forge and cooling in vermiculite, but now use an old grill with briquette/wood coals, bury the steel and let it cool slowly, much better results)
Trace and cut profile
Drill holes, create bevel (tricky!) leaving about a dime width on edge

Process (upcoming):
Normalize 3x (heat to non-magnetic, let air cool)
Heat to a touch above non-magnetic, quench in canola oil heated to 135F (blade or spine first?)
Harden in oven, 2 cycles at 400F at 2 hours each time
Finish bevels, sharpen, clean up, glue scales, etc.

Right now I'm either using tools I had at my disposal or that I was able to afford. It seems the biggest and most important upgrade would be a proper belt sander. Grinding bevels so far has been the trickiest step, it's a true art form. I first practiced on kiridashi style knives I shaped out of old files (I keep overheating the tips), then did the bevels on two Kephart/bushcraft style blades that will be my first start-to-finish blades.

Thanks for all of your input and apologies for the verbosity. I'm hoping this will lead to further suggestions on improving this workflow.
 
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