time for me to pull the trigger on some bear spray

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I posted this on another forum but thought some of you guys might be interested

I've seen a few bears in my travels over the years.. in the areas I most frequent I usually see them running away from me.. But yesterday I set out for a minimal gear overnight with my nephew and his friend. and we had about a 10 minute confrontation with an adolescent black bear. Which was like nothing I've ever experienced.
It was a hot day About 90 deg Fahrenheit. and about 14:00 hours. we where in the process of setting up camp. I had just laid down my poncho as a ground cloth when my nephew shouts "bear"
i turn around and see a small lack bear down in the gully maybe about 20 yards away.. my nephew took a few pictures as I began to raise my voice just to let him know we where there. Once I let out the first "hey Bear" he stood up on his hind legs sniffed the air, let out a puff . than dropped to his feet and made a b-line directly for us. I got in front of the kids and began to blow my whistle. which stopped him at about the 15 foot mark. By this point all 3 of us where blowing whistles and yelling. but he showed no signs of backing off and took another step forward. I reached down and began to flap my poncho in the air to make myself look more intimidating.. To this again he stood up for a second, Than dropped down curled back his lips, snorted and took another step forward. I freed the trail hawk from my belt now.. Thinking "well.. I guess this is gonna happen" I was able to use the hawk to lift my zebra pot by the bail and broing it up to me without taking my eyes off the bear. and I began banging furiously. FInally he began to back off... SLowly but he did, I Pursued him alternating between banging, blowing the whistle and yelling for about 100 yards before he disappeared into the bush..
He was by no means a large bear, Probably an adolescent and lean bout 150 lbs, and about 5 foot standing up, maybe waist High on me on all 4's. I think he was probably fairly new to being independent from his mother and is trying to figure out the rules still. There where also several factors that could have contribute to his behavior. THe main one being the topography of the area creats a strange echo which might have been disorienting for him to discern where the sound was coming from.. Also I thin probably people have been feeding him or leaving food at the site. We on the other hand where not engaged in food prep and had only dried and canned food with us.
I did notice a tag in his ear, and called the ranger station to let them know. They said they had no reports of problem bears and that tagging was part of a research project.
We retreated a few 100 yards away and decided to utilize a park shelter for the night but after about 2 Hours our friend made another appearance, this time from a distance but kept a dead gaze on us as he ambled through.
After that I figured enough is enough Time to go home. So we called it a day and hiked out. I had 2 young'ens with me and didn't want to take any chances after dark.
All in all it was a wild experience. i am glad it happened and I feel like I learned a good deal from it. Need less to say I'll be carrying bearspray from now on.

Here's a vid of the very end of the encounter after he already starts to leave, and had retreated a good bit. As he proceeds through the gully away from me, he looks smaller than he was.. lol sort of like we're chasing a teddy bear. but if you look at the blueberry bushes for scale when I reach them later you can see he's about waist height.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ly5P4KE5Eo8&list=UU2iCCZKFf40H9iw4wbcczvQ&index=1&feature=plcp
Some additional details:
the kids are 16 and 17, and are seasoned fisherman, hunters, and campers, with first aid and navigation training.

Firearms are prohibited in the area

Bear sightings hear are very rare, and encounters like this are un -heard of.

there bear as I mentioned was small, but when he snorting at you from 10 feet away he seems like a kodiak LOL
 
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No luck on the vid RR - but it sounds like you did all the right things. I usually just blow off these types of threads off, but I totally respect you man and when I read your story, I felt like I was there to some extent. Never had a black stand on two legs in front of me. I"ve had a few sniffs and tenative steps in my direction, but the standing up thing is a dominance questing action. Sounds like you did good and in the end you intimidated them. (With your lithe physique and mora knife, I'm not sure how that is possible....but DAMN you DA MAN)....Thanks for letting us in on your encounter. Keep us abreast of your adventures!

Ken
 
Sounds like you did all the right things there Riley. I had a similar experience with a adult male black up in the Apostle Islands WI two years ago. I got a couple of pictures and showed them to a ranger couple that lived on the particular island I was backpacking on (Oak Island) and they said he was a male that had probably just been pushed out of his territory by another male and that is when they are very unpredictable. My rescue whistle probably saved my bacon that day and to make a long story short I have never hiked in bear territory without spray since. Some will knock spray but I have talked with quite a few that have used it and....I guess the fact that I talked to them speaks for itself.

p.s. Your link is broken. I would like to see your video.
 
Thanks guys Vid link fixed.
Ken I think he left out of sympathy.. or disgust..LOL
Feelings mutual brother, Nothing but respect for you.
and this time it was an opinel.
 
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Wow. That had to be a little wild while it was happening. I'll bet the boys won't forget this camping trip for along time, and they'll have some great stories to tell over the years.
We don't really have too many bears around here, so I've never even given any thought to what I would do if I ran across one in the wild. Now I have some ideas.
Thanks.
 
No matter the size still 100% bear.You are absolutely correct in your assessment IMO the youngsters are the worst having the lessons from Momma but not rightly taking them in.So they bluff and bluster and get in trouble
Good experience for you and the youngsters
Dan'l
 
good to hear it ended well for all 4 of you (bear included)
also a good description of what to do in that kind of situation.
 
Sounds like an exciting adventure. I've seen cases where animals with sharp teeth smaller than waist high have done significant harm, I don't blame you for preparing the hawk for use. We have the same attitude there, "alright then, if it's gotta happen...". Few things match the adrenaline rush of a real threat against young ones in your charge. Glad all worked out for the best,
 
Definitely a good call there on pulling the plug on the trip. I've been around more black bears than I know, (no really, the kid's camp my parents sent me too had all kinds of bears around, we just didn't see them that often!) That behavior to me says one of two things. Fed before (maybe as a cub) and wondering why you aren't handing over the grub, and the other is a bear just defining his territory (or so he thinks) and decided that you don't belong. Get the spray, it would still be the end of a trip, but better than going hand to hand with the bear. Great story man, good choices! (and kudos for both boys having whistles and being aware!)
 
We have trash can raiding black bears in our Fl Panhandle neighborhood. Who would have predicted this 10-20 years ago? I wonder what type of justification is required to shoot an agressive bear?
 
You did the right thing John ... no need to take any chances.



Looks like he just wanted to be your friend.
 
We had a similar experience a few years ago, I believe you did the right thing by leaving. Our bear escalated the contact as time went on. Our incindent played out over 3 days, as he got more used to our feeble noise defenses he grew more aggresive, eventually he ended up charging and destroying our packs/supplies when we dropped them and scrambled away to save ourselves from harm.

I now carry both a firearm and spray. Never had to use either in the woods but having escelation of force options is a good thing.

JP
 
Hey RR, sounds like you 'bear'ly escaped that one. I always have a can of bear spray in my pack unless I'm out with somebody I can outrun, which at 66 is nobody! :frown:

Doc
 
Wow that sounds like a nerve racking situation, especially having kids with you. I have never seen a bear that didn't run away at banging and yelling, so that would have been downright scary for me. Seems like maybe he has gotten food from people in the past or something like that to make him so brazen. Glad it worked out okay though :thumbup:
 
THanks for the comments and support guys, I'm obviously glad it ended where it did..In retrospect it was a great experience, and if nothing else makes for a good story, you;d be surprised how much bigger and scarier he gets when I tell it over a pint. LOL
 
If he didn't run off with noise he probably has been fed.Stupid people never learn ! Move all food away from your camp and tents , about 100 yds.
The recent death of a hiker in Denali was one where the hiker broke the rules . Rules -don't go closer to a grizzly than 1/4 mile !! He was photoing the bear from 40 yards ! He didn't have any bear spraywhich is recommended.
Riley I assume you were in NY .Here the younsters [1.5 years old are on their own for the first time and can get into mischeif.] are about 150 lbs. Not very big though the fur makes them look bigger. I came close , 15' ,from a 400 lb one that's big and impressive ! . Record bear in PA is 900 lbs ! But they're all mild mannered black bear in the east.
 
Yeah, I can tell by that behavior that the bear wasn't afraid of anything. Very reluctant to leave quick even with the noise. Very interesting.
 
whoa, glad you guys got out unscathed. i think i'll pick up a bear spray too - they're good against two-legged creatures too anyway.

p.s. i'm going on an overnighter this wed to thur...text me if you want to join me. i think i'm going to skip that spot for now, lol.
 
It's stories like this that make me happy that the worst I have to fear is a koala bear falling on me;).
Good luck and stay safe.
 
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