Tiny hatchet, but I think they were serious.

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Has anybody seen another this small? Was it meant for a serious use?
It has an oval eye 1/4" by 3/4", is 2.25" along the edge, and about 4.25" long overall. One bread scale says 7 oz, the other bread scale says 5 oz (head only).
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I bought this for almost nothing some time ago, thinking it was a toy or a joke, but looking at it again I think it had some serious use. The edge is slightly concave near the center, as if it's been worn at the striking area, and the peen is very slightly mushroomed. Somebody put some work into whittling that broomstick, too.
 
appears to be a roofers hatchet or slightly smaller riggers axe ... they can be very useful for a lot of chores. I'm sure it has probably been well used.
 
Might have been part of a set, like came in the tool chests meant for children. The tools in those actually worked, they were just smaller. Squares, hammers, spoke shaves, planes ect.

My cousin got one of those sets when he was around 4. He used the functional tools to liberate his younger sister from her crib so they could go play, sawed right through the bars, and it was a few hours before anybody noticed. Good times.

Might be a perfect axe for harvesting Bonsai, too.
 
My cousin got one of those sets when he was around 4. He used the functional tools to liberate his younger sister from her crib so they could go play, sawed right through the bars, and it was a few hours before anybody noticed. Good times.

Might be a perfect axe for harvesting Bonsai, too.
LOL! He picked it up pretty fast. Could you imagine today selling something for kids coming with sharp edges that could actually cut?
This little spoke shave came out of one of those tool boxes and I have small hands.
 
Looks like a shingle or roofing type axe to me.

appears to be a roofers hatchet or slightly smaller riggers axe ... they can be very useful for a lot of chores. I'm sure it has probably been well used.
I would call it a half- hatchet from it's shape. It could work as a lathing hatchet, with its flat top, or as a roofing hatchet because why not.

Type "oyster hatchet" into Google.
The oyster hatchet seems to have a double flare, not just downward.

salesman sample?
That's a possibility, though I don't know if hatchets had that sort of travelling salesman.

Might have been part of a set, like came in the tool chests meant for children. The tools in those actually worked, they were just smaller. Squares, hammers, spoke shaves, planes ect.
I had such a set with a real saw and hammer. I didn't know they went back to the days of earlier tools, but this thing is tiny.

My cousin got one of those sets when he was around 4. He used the functional tools to liberate his younger sister from her crib so they could go play, sawed right through the bars, and it was a few hours before anybody noticed. Good times.
Might be a perfect axe for harvesting Bonsai, too.
That's great. I think the most I did was try to shorten a chair's legs.
LOL! He picked it up pretty fast. Could you imagine today selling something for kids coming with sharp edges that could actually cut?
This little spoke shave came out of one of those tool boxes and I have small hands.
I'm liking the working toy hypothesis.
I'm going to try to make it work as a Kephartian mini-hatchet.

Thanks for all the replies.
 
It looks like a Carpenter's or Roofer's hatchet where the hammer is the primary tool and the hatchet side is used for ancillary tasks like cutting the straps that bind the bundles of shingles together or pulling random nails with the knotch.
 
That's cool--wish I had that! The roofing hatchet explanation makes sense. What was the overall length?

Definitely won't dismiss the sub-1/2 lb hatchets. In the 1700's the belt axes used on the frontier by long hunters were downright tiny but fine for setting up camp and breaking down game. A number of spike tomahawks used by Eastern Woodland warriors were sub-8 oz--those weren't just tools but primary weapons in close quarters combat.

I've used (and made) spike tomahawks that were under 8 oz total weight, head and handle, and you'll be surprised what they can do. The lightest I made was just 5.6 oz and 16" long--wicked fast. Could do a number on a person's head and has plenty of practical use in light chopping and cutting tasks.
 
That's cool--wish I had that! The roofing hatchet explanation makes sense. What was the overall length?

Definitely won't dismiss the sub-1/2 lb hatchets. In the 1700's the belt axes used on the frontier by long hunters were downright tiny but fine for setting up camp and breaking down game. A number of spike tomahawks used by Eastern Woodland warriors were sub-8 oz--those weren't just tools but primary weapons in close quarters combat.

I've used (and made) spike tomahawks that were under 8 oz total weight, head and handle, and you'll be surprised what they can do. The lightest I made was just 5.6 oz and 16" long--wicked fast. Could do a number on a person's head and has plenty of practical use in light chopping and cutting tasks.
Overall length of the head is about 4.25". The bit of broomstick acting as handle is 10.5".
How 'bout showing us some of your tiny hatchets/'hawks?
 
Thanks for the info!

Lightest model I make is the Backripper Tomahawk. 16" long, weighs 8 oz or less. I haven't figured out how to upload pictures yet but attached a .pdf--a customer compared weights of his various tactical tomahawks. The weight difference is very big.

There's a couple of short youtube videos on it and the carry system.



We have another model that's in the 7-9 oz range. I just put one of those up for sale on Blade Forums earlier today.

https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/empress-tomahawk.1735871/

Overall length of the head is about 4.25". The bit of broomstick acting as handle is 10.5".
How 'bout showing us some of your tiny hatchets/'hawks?
 

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Thanks for the info!

Lightest model I make is the Backripper Tomahawk. 16" long, weighs 8 oz or less. I haven't figured out how to upload pictures yet but attached a .pdf--a customer compared weights of his various tactical tomahawks. The weight difference is very big.

There's a couple of short youtube videos on it and the carry system.



We have another model that's in the 7-9 oz range. I just put one of those up for sale on Blade Forums earlier today.

https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/empress-tomahawk.1735871/
Very cool stuff. I have marvelled at those Iroquois hook hawks. "Back-ripper" might explain them some.

Why bronze instead of steel? And, I guess, are they cast?
 
I did extensive research on historic spike tomahawks which drove our modern ergonomic designs, including talking with experts like Mark Miller and Jack Vargo and reading many historic accounts. The true purpose of the different styles of spike were never stated, so there was only speculation from collectors. I did a lot of hands on experiments and quickly discovered there are a lot of counter-intuitive but brutally effective techniques packed into these feather light weapons. As things firm up I may do some combative posts down the road.

The Empress Tomahawks use high strength silicon bronze for several reasons. Folks think "well, bronze is softer than steel, so why bronze?"

----- Bronze is harder the flesh and bone. Thousand and thousands of men have been slain by bronze blades and today, the modern bronze we use in the Empress tomahawk is even high strength than the historic blades.
----- Bronze is not brittle. During the Bronze Age and into the Iron Age, if bronze blades were subjected to too high of load the blade would bend and there were accounts of warriors straightening the blades via cold working in the field. I verified this by clobbering a prototype Empress into solid concrete. The blade bent and I had it straightened in a vise in seconds. Some file work and a dab of patina had it looking good and it was back to in skull piercing shape. When you subject a high hardness tool steel blade to too much structural load, it breaks.
----- We also had a lot of interest in a concealable tomahawk at a more accessible price point than our Backripper tomahawk. The Backripper costs $305 because it's hand forged from W1 tool steel and properly fitted on a straight grain hickory handle--the head and handle are our own design. The Empress is $195 because it's sand casted silicon bronze. In time it will costs less to make, but it actually requires a lot more money up front (the investment in the mold cost thousands of dollars) and it will always require way more of our time. We get our Backripper heads from the blacksmith, ready to hang on the handle--we pay him for the materials and the skill to hand forge and finish the heads in this excellent condition. But the Empress heads come from sand casting requiring a lot of hand filing and sharpening, surface texturing and patina to get the form and function we desire in our quality products, all before being properly hung on a straight grain hickory handle. Still, we successfully achieved a more accessible price point. We have confidence that, with time, enough customers were get their Empress to help us pay off the steep up front cost.
----- The Empress has a very clean, simple arc to the side profile that makes it look very attractive but actually is an intersection of very complex shapes that can easily lose it's attractive appearance with seemingly minor dimensional variability. Very, very difficult to get a clean, simple look. A lot more time consuming and expensive to forge and way more careful on the stock removal afterwards--we estimate a steel version would cost more than $400. Quality is everything! But you gotta pay for that increase in time it takes to make it! So you can see another reason we went with Bronze--we can sand cast a consistent shape that gets the perfect look. Hand forging is GREAT, but it is too variable when we want such a tight look.
---- Also, bronze is 100% rust proof, and folks in the military commented it'd be nice to have a compact tomahawk that they could expose to salt water without issues. And I enjoy the beach and carrying quality blades, yet don't want to rust a steel edge. So if you want a blade to take on a day at the beach, this will do just fine. Tucks in your swimming trucks, no problem. Even the wood is specifically treated to be water resistant and we've tested this entire assembled tomahawk underwater. Hell, it even chops fast underwater!

https://www.instagram.com/p/B-alBWojN4B/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
 
I did extensive research on historic spike tomahawks which drove our modern ergonomic designs, including talking with experts like Mark Miller and Jack Vargo and reading many historic accounts. The true purpose of the different styles of spike were never stated, so there was only speculation from collectors. I did a lot of hands on experiments and quickly discovered there are a lot of counter-intuitive but brutally effective techniques packed into these feather light weapons. As things firm up I may do some combative posts down the road.

The Empress Tomahawks use high strength silicon bronze for several reasons. Folks think "well, bronze is softer than steel, so why bronze?"

----- Bronze is harder the flesh and bone. Thousand and thousands of men have been slain by bronze blades and today, the modern bronze we use in the Empress tomahawk is even high strength than the historic blades.
----- Bronze is not brittle. During the Bronze Age and into the Iron Age, if bronze blades were subjected to too high of load the blade would bend and there were accounts of warriors straightening the blades via cold working in the field. I verified this by clobbering a prototype Empress into solid concrete. The blade bent and I had it straightened in a vise in seconds. Some file work and a dab of patina had it looking good and it was back to in skull piercing shape. When you subject a high hardness tool steel blade to too much structural load, it breaks.
----- We also had a lot of interest in a concealable tomahawk at a more accessible price point than our Backripper tomahawk. The Backripper costs $305 because it's hand forged from W1 tool steel and properly fitted on a straight grain hickory handle--the head and handle are our own design. The Empress is $195 because it's sand casted silicon bronze. In time it will costs less to make, but it actually requires a lot more money up front (the investment in the mold cost thousands of dollars) and it will always require way more of our time. We get our Backripper heads from the blacksmith, ready to hang on the handle--we pay him for the materials and the skill to hand forge and finish the heads in this excellent condition. But the Empress heads come from sand casting requiring a lot of hand filing and sharpening, surface texturing and patina to get the form and function we desire in our quality products, all before being properly hung on a straight grain hickory handle. Still, we successfully achieved a more accessible price point. We have confidence that, with time, enough customers were get their Empress to help us pay off the steep up front cost.
----- The Empress has a very clean, simple arc to the side profile that makes it look very attractive but actually is an intersection of very complex shapes that can easily lose it's attractive appearance with seemingly minor dimensional variability. Very, very difficult to get a clean, simple look. A lot more time consuming and expensive to forge and way more careful on the stock removal afterwards--we estimate a steel version would cost more than $400. Quality is everything! But you gotta pay for that increase in time it takes to make it! So you can see another reason we went with Bronze--we can sand cast a consistent shape that gets the perfect look. Hand forging is GREAT, but it is too variable when we want such a tight look.
---- Also, bronze is 100% rust proof, and folks in the military commented it'd be nice to have a compact tomahawk that they could expose to salt water without issues. And I enjoy the beach and carrying quality blades, yet don't want to rust a steel edge. So if you want a blade to take on a day at the beach, this will do just fine. Tucks in your swimming trucks, no problem. Even the wood is specifically treated to be water resistant and we've tested this entire assembled tomahawk underwater. Hell, it even chops fast underwater!

https://www.instagram.com/p/B-alBWojN4B/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
Imaginative and sensible. Definitely on my list for when Publisher's Clearing House brings me my big check.
 
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