Tips on Beveling on a 2X72

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Hello Ive been making knives for a year now and have struggled to make consistent and clean bevel lines on a belt grinder. I have a beveling file jig that I always have to resort to in order to clean up the bevels. I started with a 1X30 belt grinder and had minimum success where I didn't have to touch them up on the file jig. I've recently upgraded to a 2X72 variable speed and I still struggle and am unable to make proper bevels that are straight and even on both sides.. I made a angle bracket jig, clamped the knife to it and set the bevel angle with the work rest table but still one side will be a higher bevel and both wavy. My biggest issue is that the plunge line is ground up to my scribe line where I want it, then the bevel quickly drops and slowly comes back up to the scribe line farther down the blade. The bevel near the tip on blades with a belly is never as tall as the rest. I have watched Walter Sorrells on this and Simple Little Life on youtube but I still cannot master this or come close!

Is this a: "comes with experience" thing, my platen not surfaced properly (its brand new), or am I just rushing? Last night I made a couple knife blanks for my next customer and started the bevels. I think I was about 5 minutes on each side roughing the bevels a 0.5" tall bevel on a 1/8" stock with an 80 grit belt.. 2x72 was running at about 4800sfpm. neither knife blank came out even close for a pre heat treat grind. I resorted to the File Jig this AM so I didn't ruin the blanks.

Any Tips and help on beveling is appreciated! I hope some day I will be able to give the advice some of you blade vets can!
 
Yep - experience.
Not much to learn on the web.
Go find a maker who will give/sell you an hour of his time. Nothing beats eyes and hands-on when it comes to learning.
I had the same struggle. I went to a guy giving classes in '98 and learned more in the first 30 minutes than I had learned on my own in two years.
 
I would say yes it comes with experience and possibly rushing it. I started out using a 36 grit ceramic running very fast. I screwed up every blade I made chasing mistake after mistake. Now I use an 80 grit belt at slow speed and just did 8 knives and have not had to chase a single mistake. At this point it's going much faster because I'm not chasing mistakes and the overall quality is by far much better.

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Marc is right - slow that grinder down a bit - 4800 SFPM is find for profiling but it takes a real expert to bevel at that speed. Try slowing down a bit - maybe even to <2,000 SFPM as you're working on final portion of bevel with maybe even 120 grit belt for final.
 
curious how many blades you have done in the year?
it takes about 20-30 blades before you finally get it. at least for me
another thing is to have an understanding of how pressure affected the result you see.

issue is that the plunge line is ground up to my scribe line where I want it, then the bevel quickly drops and slowly comes back up to the scribe line farther down the blade

think about why this is happening....too much pressure at the plunge probably as you push into the plunge with your arm or shoulder, then you relaxed your pressure hence the bevel dropping quickly and then you increased pressure farther down the blade.

I suggest trying a work rest and push stick., many ABS MS grind this way.
 
I would say yes it comes with experience and possibly rushing it. I started out using a 36 grit ceramic running very fast. I screwed up every blade I made chasing mistake after mistake. Now I use an 80 grit belt at slow speed and just did 8 knives and have not had to chase a single mistake. At this point it's going much faster because I'm not chasing mistakes and the overall quality is by far much better.

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You blame the speed for your mistake so you slow down ..........but you still make same mistake ...except they ara now small mistake and easy to correct ? That mind that you still not have enough skill/experience to grind .......... So , don t blame the speed .Speed is your best friend when you grind bevel on knife .................... BUT we must learn to take advantage of that speed and of ceramic belts :thumbsup:
 
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Hello Ive been making knives for a year now and have struggled to make consistent and clean bevel lines on a belt grinder. I have a beveling file jig that I always have to resort to in order to clean up the bevels. I started with a 1X30 belt grinder and had minimum success where I didn't have to touch them up on the file jig. I've recently upgraded to a 2X72 variable speed and I still struggle and am unable to make proper bevels that are straight and even on both sides.. I made a angle bracket jig, clamped the knife to it and set the bevel angle with the work rest table but still one side will be a higher bevel and both wavy. My biggest issue is that the plunge line is ground up to my scribe line where I want it, then the bevel quickly drops and slowly comes back up to the scribe line farther down the blade. The bevel near the tip on blades with a belly is never as tall as the rest. I have watched Walter Sorrells on this and Simple Little Life on youtube but I still cannot master this or come close!

Is this a: "comes with experience" thing, my platen not surfaced properly (its brand new), or am I just rushing? Last night I made a couple knife blanks for my next customer and started the bevels. I think I was about 5 minutes on each side roughing the bevels a 0.5" tall bevel on a 1/8" stock with an 80 grit belt.. 2x72 was running at about 4800sfpm. neither knife blank came out even close for a pre heat treat grind. I resorted to the File Jig this AM so I didn't ruin the blanks.

Any Tips and help on beveling is appreciated! I hope some day I will be able to give the advice some of you blade vets can!
Before deciding, first check the geometry on your grinder.Geometry of rest plate to back plate , geometry of jig you make to rest plate .IF everything is Ok , it will be easy to see where you make mistake .........
 
You blame the speed for your mistake so you slow down ..........but you still make same mistake ...except they ara now small mistake and easy to correct ? That mind that you still not have enough skill/experience to grind .......... So , don t blame the speed .Speed is your best friend when you grind bevel on knife .................... :thumbsup:

Your experience is you experience, as mine is mine so maybe for you, but as I said I did not have to correct any errors. Not everyone cares to grind at lightning speed. I'm not making production knives so if it takes me 5 extra mins I don't care. 5 extra mins is cheaper than throwing steel in the trash when I ruin it. When I'm profiling blades sure I'll put the 36 grit on it and crank it up to 7000 sfpm. Unless you care to elaborate anything else about my personal experience I'll leave it as it is. Thanks.
 
curious how many blades you have done in the year?
it takes about 20-30 blades before you finally get it. at least for me
another thing is to have an understanding of how pressure affected the result you see.



think about why this is happening....too much pressure at the plunge probably as you push into the plunge with your arm or shoulder, then you relaxed your pressure hence the bevel dropping quickly and then you increased pressure farther down the blade.

I suggest trying a work rest and push stick., many ABS MS grind this way.


Good point about pressure. I have done a little over 20 blades but a couple I did by file, and the rest, other than about 2 (which had straight edges and managed to get a great bevel on grinder) I ended up grinding with a jig then file finishing. I think last night grinding I realized when I went into the platen I was not going in flat across the belt then I had to chase the low spots. So maybe ill just need more practice and to be less complacent about angle, pressure and body movement.. So far I'm getting a lot of great feedback in things to try!
 
Before deciding, first check the geometry on your grinder.Geometry of rest plate to back plate , geometry of jig you make to rest plate .IF everything is Ok , it will be easy to see where you make mistake .........


Great tip. I just used a metal straight edge I knew was true and a square I knew was square. The work rest to platen is the proper angle and sturdy with no flex. My Jig is heavy duty steel but I just checked for flatness of the base which it rides on the work rest and the face which I clamp the blade to. I found that, by sanding them and seeing where the "high spots" were, I realize the face which I clamp blade to had high spots on the outer edges! I clamped the blade in the center and tightly, which would possibly or more likely make the steel of the knife bow! I will try another jig or correct this issue. Thanks for the tip.
 
I'm sorry if I offended you :thumbsup: English is not my native language and maybe my answer sounds rough . What I want to say is that you can not blame the hammer if you constantly hurt your finger when you hammer a nail . Reduce the force of impact with hammer will not solve the problem .........it will only hurt less and it will take more time to hammer a nail ...........
 
Great tip. I just used a metal straight edge I knew was true and a square I knew was square. The work rest to platen is the proper angle and sturdy with no flex. My Jig is heavy duty steel but I just checked for flatness of the base which it rides on the work rest and the face which I clamp the blade to. I found that, by sanding them and seeing where the "high spots" were, I realize the face which I clamp blade to had high spots on the outer edges! I clamped the blade in the center and tightly, which would possibly or more likely make the steel of the knife bow! I will try another jig or correct this issue. Thanks for the tip.
When you flip the blade in jig you have , blade MUST have be in the same position fixed ............The best jig is where you do not have to flip blade to grind other side....watch this video for idea
Check this out ............. Red is belt , black is rest plate , green is jig , blue is blade
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One thing that might help, as well as all of the info above (which I agree with), is to put a center line on the edge of the blank that will become the cutting edge (blue dykem, sharpie and a cheap caliper that you don't mind getting damaged will do the trick - after applying ink, use caliper to measure thickness, set caliper to half of thickness, use tips of caliper to scribe) . Pay attention to the thicknesses around that center line to understand where you need to remove more material.

Also, I've found better success by cranking the sfpm up and applying light pressure, and concentrating on my pull arm (similar to paying attention the movement of your arm in playing pool).

Hope that helps, and don't give up. The more you practice at it, the better it gets. Just don't take major time off, or it's like darts and pool, it take a minute to get that muscle memory back.:)
 
Maineiac1,

You have a few issues.

The first is that you have "customers" when you can't seem to grind a knife. Please don't take that as being mean. But it doesn't seem like you are ready for that. Get your basic skills up to speed before you go there. Having customers waiting for knives is enough pressure when you know what you are doing. Adding that kind of pressure at your stage is unnecessary and not allowing you to make the natural mistakes you need to learn and grow at this point in your development.

Now let's talk about your biggest problem. You may not want to hear it but I think you should put that jig aside for now. The jig is handicapping you. New makers may think that jigs are a shortcut to making professional quality knives. It's like a kid with a learners permit license driving a car with a blown alcohol motor because it'll get him there faster. Get you where faster? Jigs lock you into a position which makes it hard to adjust as you go. Learn the basic techniques of grinding by hand. Then when you have a good grasp of that and have consistent success you can go back to jigs to speed up processes of which you have a better understanding.

It's all about where you apply pressure, how much pressure, what angle the blade is to the belt and how fast the pull is. What it sounds like you are doing is digging in or angling the blade into the belt a bit at the plunge and then letting up on the pressure as you pull away from the plunge. Or maybe as you move away from the plunge you are adding more pressure along the cutting edge which will remove more material there and less at the spine, causing a dip at the spine.

Put the jig and work table aside for now. If you have variable speed, slow your grinder down a bit. The only "jig" I would recommend at this point is a carbide faced file guide placed where you want your plunge lines. Folks say to grind your weak side first so that you can match it on the other side where you feel you have better control. The fact is you should be grinding both sides equally as you go. 5 or 6 passes on one side then the other, back and forth. You don't want to grind one whole side then grind the other whole side. One reason is you don't want to put uneven stresses into the blade. Grinding back and forth from side to side keeps stresses more even and it allows you to see if problems are forming while you still have the room to make adjustments. When you get to the finishing stages, do your weak side first.

Stand in front of your grinder, feet shoulder width apart. keep your elbows at your sides. Stand close enough to the machine so you can see where you are grinding. Lock your elbows in place and use your legs to shuttle your upper body side to side when making your grinding passes. With the hand that is holding the tang, place your thumb on the ricasso (or on the file guide if you are using one). The support hand will rest the spine of the knife on the forefinger and the thumb will be on the blade. We will assume that you have marked your centerlines etc. As you approach the grinder angle the blade about 45˚ to the belt and carefully lay the edge into the belt and make a smooth pull out to the tip. Repeat as necessary. What you are doing is cutting the edge thickness down to your pre heat treated thickness. Leave roughly the thickness of a quarter. Work both sides until you are there. Now you are going to start changing the angle of your blade to the belt to raise that grind up the side of the blade. You are not taking any more material at the edge, only the sides. When you put blade to belt you are gently laying the bevel you have created down against the belt, feeling for when the bevel lays flat against the belt. As you begin your pass, the thumb on the tang will add a little pressure above what we'll call neutral. Neutral is the belt removing material evenly from the top of the grind to the bottom and side to side. If the bevel you have established is laying flat on the belt, this above neutral pressure will add force to the top edge of that bevel. This shouldn't be making a new bevel or facet. This should be widening the bevel you have already made. And this is how you will progress up the blade. Add pressure with your thumb where you want to remove material. If you have a grind that is dipping a bit in the middle, put your thumb at that location. Of course the blade is upside down so if you have a dip at the spine you are putting your thumb a little lower toward the spine. As you make a smooth light pull add a little pressure with the thumb as you pass the spot with the dip. You should see the dip start to rise. Repeat until the line is fairly even then make longer neutral pressure pulls to blend everything into a smooth and level line. Adding pressure is a subtle thing. You will develop a feel for it. As your grind gets higher you will want to start forming a radius where it blends into your flats or spine. This is a balancing act of time, distance and pressure. It is also aided by running the belt off the side of the platen 3/16" or so. Lay your blade gently on the belt, slide it over to the plunge line and add pressure on the spine side. At the same time you are adding pressure you are drawing the blade away from the plunge. That radius area is a very small distance so getting a feel for how much pressure and pull speed will take some trial and error. It helps a lot to scribe the lines of your intended grinds before you start. Leave yourself room to correct. Do not grind right up to your final lines. You will be cleaning up the blade and dialing in your final dimensions after heat treatment so leave a little meat on the bone.

When you get familiar with grinding mechanics you can speed up the process by hogging a lot of the material off using the contact wheel first then going back and flattening your bevels with the platen. At the point where all that feels natural then go get your jig. By then you will know how to read your grinds and will have the manual skills to fix any problems.
 
I suggest trying a work rest and push stick., many ABS MS grind this way.[/QUOTE]

This!! I grind every blade with a rest and push stick, for me it is much easier to apply even pressure. I would also suggest not trying to get perfect pre heat treat grinds, I almost always grind the entire bevel after heat treat unless the blade is at least 3/16" thick. Then I only grind about 50 percent of the bevel pre heat treat and finish post heat treat. The heat treated blade forces you to slow down and being harder to grind makes it harder to mess up because you are not removing as much material per pass.
 
Maineiac1,

You have a few issues.

The first is that you have "customers" when you can't seem to grind a knife. Please don't take that as being mean. But it doesn't seem like you are ready for that. Get your basic skills up to speed before you go there. Having customers waiting for knives is enough pressure when you know what you are doing. Adding that kind of pressure at your stage is unnecessary and not allowing you to make the natural mistakes you need to learn and grow at this point in your development.

Now let's talk about your biggest problem. You may not want to hear it but I think you should put that jig aside for now. The jig is handicapping you. New makers may think that jigs are a shortcut to making professional quality knives. It's like a kid with a learners permit license driving a car with a blown alcohol motor because it'll get him there faster. Get you where faster? Jigs lock you into a position which makes it hard to adjust as you go. Learn the basic techniques of grinding by hand. Then when you have a good grasp of that and have consistent success you can go back to jigs to speed up processes of which you have a better understanding.

It's all about where you apply pressure, how much pressure, what angle the blade is to the belt and how fast the pull is. What it sounds like you are doing is digging in or angling the blade into the belt a bit at the plunge and then letting up on the pressure as you pull away from the plunge. Or maybe as you move away from the plunge you are adding more pressure along the cutting edge which will remove more material there and less at the spine, causing a dip at the spine.

Put the jig and work table aside for now. If you have variable speed, slow your grinder down a bit. The only "jig" I would recommend at this point is a carbide faced file guide placed where you want your plunge lines. Folks say to grind your weak side first so that you can match it on the other side where you feel you have better control. The fact is you should be grinding both sides equally as you go. 5 or 6 passes on one side then the other, back and forth. You don't want to grind one whole side then grind the other whole side. One reason is you don't want to put uneven stresses into the blade. Grinding back and forth from side to side keeps stresses more even and it allows you to see if problems are forming while you still have the room to make adjustments. When you get to the finishing stages, do your weak side first.

Stand in front of your grinder, feet shoulder width apart. keep your elbows at your sides. Stand close enough to the machine so you can see where you are grinding. Lock your elbows in place and use your legs to shuttle your upper body side to side when making your grinding passes. With the hand that is holding the tang, place your thumb on the ricasso (or on the file guide if you are using one). The support hand will rest the spine of the knife on the forefinger and the thumb will be on the blade. We will assume that you have marked your centerlines etc. As you approach the grinder angle the blade about 45˚ to the belt and carefully lay the edge into the belt and make a smooth pull out to the tip. Repeat as necessary. What you are doing is cutting the edge thickness down to your pre heat treated thickness. Leave roughly the thickness of a quarter. Work both sides until you are there. Now you are going to start changing the angle of your blade to the belt to raise that grind up the side of the blade. You are not taking any more material at the edge, only the sides. When you put blade to belt you are gently laying the bevel you have created down against the belt, feeling for when the bevel lays flat against the belt. As you begin your pass, the thumb on the tang will add a little pressure above what we'll call neutral. Neutral is the belt removing material evenly from the top of the grind to the bottom and side to side. If the bevel you have established is laying flat on the belt, this above neutral pressure will add force to the top edge of that bevel. This shouldn't be making a new bevel or facet. This should be widening the bevel you have already made. And this is how you will progress up the blade. Add pressure with your thumb where you want to remove material. If you have a grind that is dipping a bit in the middle, put your thumb at that location. Of course the blade is upside down so if you have a dip at the spine you are putting your thumb a little lower toward the spine. As you make a smooth light pull add a little pressure with the thumb as you pass the spot with the dip. You should see the dip start to rise. Repeat until the line is fairly even then make longer neutral pressure pulls to blend everything into a smooth and level line. Adding pressure is a subtle thing. You will develop a feel for it. As your grind gets higher you will want to start forming a radius where it blends into your flats or spine. This is a balancing act of time, distance and pressure. It is also aided by running the belt off the side of the platen 3/16" or so. Lay your blade gently on the belt, slide it over to the plunge line and add pressure on the spine side. At the same time you are adding pressure you are drawing the blade away from the plunge. That radius area is a very small distance so getting a feel for how much pressure and pull speed will take some trial and error. It helps a lot to scribe the lines of your intended grinds before you start. Leave yourself room to correct. Do not grind right up to your final lines. You will be cleaning up the blade and dialing in your final dimensions after heat treatment so leave a little meat on the bone.

When you get familiar with grinding mechanics you can speed up the process by hogging a lot of the material off using the contact wheel first then going back and flattening your bevels with the platen. At the point where all that feels natural then go get your jig. By then you will know how to read your grinds and will have the manual skills to fix any problems.



Read this several times!!!!!
 
Maineiac1,

You have a few issues.

The first is that you have "customers" when you can't seem to grind a knife. Please don't take that as being mean. But it doesn't seem like you are ready for that. Get your basic skills up to speed before you go there. Having customers waiting for knives is enough pressure when you know what you are doing. Adding that kind of pressure at your stage is unnecessary and not allowing you to make the natural mistakes you need to learn and grow at this point in your development.

Now let's talk about your biggest problem. You may not want to hear it but I think you should put that jig aside for now. The jig is handicapping you. New makers may think that jigs are a shortcut to making professional quality knives. It's like a kid with a learners permit license driving a car with a blown alcohol motor because it'll get him there faster. Get you where faster? Jigs lock you into a position which makes it hard to adjust as you go. Learn the basic techniques of grinding by hand. Then when you have a good grasp of that and have consistent success you can go back to jigs to speed up processes of which you have a better understanding.

It's all about where you apply pressure, how much pressure, what angle the blade is to the belt and how fast the pull is. What it sounds like you are doing is digging in or angling the blade into the belt a bit at the plunge and then letting up on the pressure as you pull away from the plunge. Or maybe as you move away from the plunge you are adding more pressure along the cutting edge which will remove more material there and less at the spine, causing a dip at the spine.

Put the jig and work table aside for now. If you have variable speed, slow your grinder down a bit. The only "jig" I would recommend at this point is a carbide faced file guide placed where you want your plunge lines. Folks say to grind your weak side first so that you can match it on the other side where you feel you have better control. The fact is you should be grinding both sides equally as you go. 5 or 6 passes on one side then the other, back and forth. You don't want to grind one whole side then grind the other whole side. One reason is you don't want to put uneven stresses into the blade. Grinding back and forth from side to side keeps stresses more even and it allows you to see if problems are forming while you still have the room to make adjustments. When you get to the finishing stages, do your weak side first.

Stand in front of your grinder, feet shoulder width apart. keep your elbows at your sides. Stand close enough to the machine so you can see where you are grinding. Lock your elbows in place and use your legs to shuttle your upper body side to side when making your grinding passes. With the hand that is holding the tang, place your thumb on the ricasso (or on the file guide if you are using one). The support hand will rest the spine of the knife on the forefinger and the thumb will be on the blade. We will assume that you have marked your centerlines etc. As you approach the grinder angle the blade about 45˚ to the belt and carefully lay the edge into the belt and make a smooth pull out to the tip. Repeat as necessary. What you are doing is cutting the edge thickness down to your pre heat treated thickness. Leave roughly the thickness of a quarter. Work both sides until you are there. Now you are going to start changing the angle of your blade to the belt to raise that grind up the side of the blade. You are not taking any more material at the edge, only the sides. When you put blade to belt you are gently laying the bevel you have created down against the belt, feeling for when the bevel lays flat against the belt. As you begin your pass, the thumb on the tang will add a little pressure above what we'll call neutral. Neutral is the belt removing material evenly from the top of the grind to the bottom and side to side. If the bevel you have established is laying flat on the belt, this above neutral pressure will add force to the top edge of that bevel. This shouldn't be making a new bevel or facet. This should be widening the bevel you have already made. And this is how you will progress up the blade. Add pressure with your thumb where you want to remove material. If you have a grind that is dipping a bit in the middle, put your thumb at that location. Of course the blade is upside down so if you have a dip at the spine you are putting your thumb a little lower toward the spine. As you make a smooth light pull add a little pressure with the thumb as you pass the spot with the dip. You should see the dip start to rise. Repeat until the line is fairly even then make longer neutral pressure pulls to blend everything into a smooth and level line. Adding pressure is a subtle thing. You will develop a feel for it. As your grind gets higher you will want to start forming a radius where it blends into your flats or spine. This is a balancing act of time, distance and pressure. It is also aided by running the belt off the side of the platen 3/16" or so. Lay your blade gently on the belt, slide it over to the plunge line and add pressure on the spine side. At the same time you are adding pressure you are drawing the blade away from the plunge. That radius area is a very small distance so getting a feel for how much pressure and pull speed will take some trial and error. It helps a lot to scribe the lines of your intended grinds before you start. Leave yourself room to correct. Do not grind right up to your final lines. You will be cleaning up the blade and dialing in your final dimensions after heat treatment so leave a little meat on the bone.

When you get familiar with grinding mechanics you can speed up the process by hogging a lot of the material off using the contact wheel first then going back and flattening your bevels with the platen. At the point where all that feels natural then go get your jig. By then you will know how to read your grinds and will have the manual skills to fix any problems.


Don’t be fooled, just because I can’t make a bevel meticulously straight on a belt grinder doesn’t mean I can’t make a proper bevel with hand tools and jigs... I’m trying to progress to strictly belt grinder to become a better knife maker. I’ve made great bevels on a few blades with no jigs or the like but am looking for help to have belt ground bevels more consistently..
 
Maineiac1,

You have a few issues.

The first is that you have "customers" when you can't seem to grind a knife. Please don't take that as being mean. But it doesn't seem like you are ready for that. Get your basic skills up to speed before you go there. Having customers waiting for knives is enough pressure when you know what you are doing. Adding that kind of pressure at your stage is unnecessary and not allowing you to make the natural mistakes you need to learn and grow at this point in your development.

Now let's talk about your biggest problem. You may not want to hear it but I think you should put that jig aside for now. The jig is handicapping you. New makers may think that jigs are a shortcut to making professional quality knives. It's like a kid with a learners permit license driving a car with a blown alcohol motor because it'll get him there faster. Get you where faster? Jigs lock you into a position which makes it hard to adjust as you go. Learn the basic techniques of grinding by hand. Then when you have a good grasp of that and have consistent success you can go back to jigs to speed up processes of which you have a better understanding.

It's all about where you apply pressure, how much pressure, what angle the blade is to the belt and how fast the pull is. What it sounds like you are doing is digging in or angling the blade into the belt a bit at the plunge and then letting up on the pressure as you pull away from the plunge. Or maybe as you move away from the plunge you are adding more pressure along the cutting edge which will remove more material there and less at the spine, causing a dip at the spine.

Put the jig and work table aside for now. If you have variable speed, slow your grinder down a bit. The only "jig" I would recommend at this point is a carbide faced file guide placed where you want your plunge lines. Folks say to grind your weak side first so that you can match it on the other side where you feel you have better control. The fact is you should be grinding both sides equally as you go. 5 or 6 passes on one side then the other, back and forth. You don't want to grind one whole side then grind the other whole side. One reason is you don't want to put uneven stresses into the blade. Grinding back and forth from side to side keeps stresses more even and it allows you to see if problems are forming while you still have the room to make adjustments. When you get to the finishing stages, do your weak side first.

Stand in front of your grinder, feet shoulder width apart. keep your elbows at your sides. Stand close enough to the machine so you can see where you are grinding. Lock your elbows in place and use your legs to shuttle your upper body side to side when making your grinding passes. With the hand that is holding the tang, place your thumb on the ricasso (or on the file guide if you are using one). The support hand will rest the spine of the knife on the forefinger and the thumb will be on the blade. We will assume that you have marked your centerlines etc. As you approach the grinder angle the blade about 45˚ to the belt and carefully lay the edge into the belt and make a smooth pull out to the tip. Repeat as necessary. What you are doing is cutting the edge thickness down to your pre heat treated thickness. Leave roughly the thickness of a quarter. Work both sides until you are there. Now you are going to start changing the angle of your blade to the belt to raise that grind up the side of the blade. You are not taking any more material at the edge, only the sides. When you put blade to belt you are gently laying the bevel you have created down against the belt, feeling for when the bevel lays flat against the belt. As you begin your pass, the thumb on the tang will add a little pressure above what we'll call neutral. Neutral is the belt removing material evenly from the top of the grind to the bottom and side to side. If the bevel you have established is laying flat on the belt, this above neutral pressure will add force to the top edge of that bevel. This shouldn't be making a new bevel or facet. This should be widening the bevel you have already made. And this is how you will progress up the blade. Add pressure with your thumb where you want to remove material. If you have a grind that is dipping a bit in the middle, put your thumb at that location. Of course the blade is upside down so if you have a dip at the spine you are putting your thumb a little lower toward the spine. As you make a smooth light pull add a little pressure with the thumb as you pass the spot with the dip. You should see the dip start to rise. Repeat until the line is fairly even then make longer neutral pressure pulls to blend everything into a smooth and level line. Adding pressure is a subtle thing. You will develop a feel for it. As your grind gets higher you will want to start forming a radius where it blends into your flats or spine. This is a balancing act of time, distance and pressure. It is also aided by running the belt off the side of the platen 3/16" or so. Lay your blade gently on the belt, slide it over to the plunge line and add pressure on the spine side. At the same time you are adding pressure you are drawing the blade away from the plunge. That radius area is a very small distance so getting a feel for how much pressure and pull speed will take some trial and error. It helps a lot to scribe the lines of your intended grinds before you start. Leave yourself room to correct. Do not grind right up to your final lines. You will be cleaning up the blade and dialing in your final dimensions after heat treatment so leave a little meat on the bone.

When you get familiar with grinding mechanics you can speed up the process by hogging a lot of the material off using the contact wheel first then going back and flattening your bevels with the platen. At the point where all that feels natural then go get your jig. By then you will know how to read your grinds and will have the manual skills to fix any problems.

I just went down to the grinder on another knife blank I had and put the jig and work rest to the side and did as you said. I concentrated heavily on my angles and pressure etc. Seems I just turned out one of my best bevels freehand.
 
That's what we're trying to help you with. None of these remarks, or particularly my remarks, are meant to take anything away from skills you've already developed. Can you clarify? Do you want help with more consistent hand ground bevels or do you want help with more consistent jig ground bevels? My point is the same either way. It's about understanding the dynamics of basic grinding mechanics. You will have a better foundation if you learn these mechanics freehand. Then you can apply them more efficiently when you use jigs. Can you post pictures of some of your other blades?
 
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