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Hey guys, I have a knife with s110v steel to sharpen and I've never sharpened a steel with high vanadium/hardness/wear resistance. Can you guys give me tips on how to do this? I'm going to use the edge pro and buy the resin bonded diamond stones. If I have to reprofile, can I still use the SiC 120 grit stone that comes with the edge pro apex 4 kit? Is it going to take me more strokes even with the bonded diamond stones? Any tips on this will be a big help.

Thanks guys,

Bo
 
Yes you are on the right track. I look forward to getting the resin bonded diamond stones.
All I can say is don't bother with anything but diamonds; mostly and especially for the final refining of the edge. I suppose the SIC 120 would reprofile for you. Probably wear the stone a bunch if it is like the soft 120 things I have.

I just use sharpy and reprofile by hand on this ten inch DMT diamond plate (220). I need to get some extra mother diamond plates for the Edge pro but I don't work with the high vanadium steel all that much now that I am all reprofiled. Then I refine with diamonds on the beloved Edge Pro.
An 8,000 DMT gets me all the hair whittling I could hope for and I do not strop.
If I were into toothy then probably some strop with diamond paste would be lovely.
I hate stropping :p :D

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Bo-dacious said:
Hey guys, I have a knife with s110v steel to sharpen and I've never sharpened a steel with high vanadium/hardness/wear resistance. Can you guys give me tips on how to do this? I'm going to use the edge pro and buy the resin bonded diamond stones. If I have to reprofile, can I still use the SiC 120 grit stone that comes with the edge pro apex 4 kit? Is it going to take me more strokes even with the bonded diamond stones? Any tips on this will be a big help.

Thanks guys,

Bo
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You can definitely use the SiC 120 stone but it is going to take a LOT longer than if you used an equally course diamond stone (like an Atoma 140) and will probably put a lot of wear on your 120 SiC stone. High vanadium alloys respond best to diamonds, but you can use SiC. I have tried the SiC and diamond stones on several of my S110V knives and found that the diamond stones seem to give me edge qualities that I prefer. If you're going for a high/mirror polish, you're going to need diamonds IMO. S110V is no joke, but with diamond stones it is definitely manageable.
 
Wowbagger: okay great. Can you send me links to the edge pro stones you were talking about? Can you send me a link to a micron-mesh chart? I have one and it doesnt have numbers like 400 or 600 it has numbers and dashes like 0-1. Can you send me one that has the numbers that that link you send have like 400,600,800 or whatever?

Peters: okay cool. Can you send a link of an Atoma 140 diamond stone please?

Thanks guys,

Bo
 
I would link you to it, but the vendor who sells them isn't a supporter of this forum as far as I know so you're going to have to Google "Atoma 140 Edge Pro" to locate it on your own. Linking it would be a violation of forum rules, I think, and I'm trying to stay on the right side of "the law."
 
PeterS84 said:
I would link you to it, but the vendor who sells them isn't a supporter of this forum as far as I know so you're going to have to Google "Atoma 140 Edge Pro" to locate it on your own. Linking it would be a violation of forum rules, I think, and I'm trying to stay on the right side of "the law."
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It's easy to stay on the right side of the law by using private messaging to send the info rather than attempting to circumvent the rules by telling folks the search terms. Just sayin'. ;)

(No blood, no foul.)
 
Blues said:
It's easy to stay on the right side of the law by using private messaging to send the info rather than attempting to circumvent the rules by telling folks the search terms. Just sayin'. ;)

(No blood, no foul.)
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Fair point, I had not thought of that. Will deal with that differently in the future. :)
 
Peters: thanks I found it but I also found an accessory kit that has a similar stone in it. The atoma is $65 and the kit is like $35 or something. Much cheaper and you get a bunch of other stuff. Has anyone seen this and can vouch for that stone's quality? I hope I'm not breaking any rules by talking about this....

Any other tips on sharpening high vanadium/hardness/wear resistance knives guys? It's much appreciated.

Thanks,

Bo
 
I found that honing on a DMT ultra coarse (220 grit) followed by a few finishing strokes on a DMT red (600 grit) provides a toothy edge on S110V. I don't go beyond that.
 
You would be better of buy a 120 Grit Metallic Bond CBN stone it will out last a diamond plate many times over,the CBN stone may cot double but it is going to last a liftetime,MST on this site told me in a PM he know's a knife maker who use's the Metallic Bonded CBN stones and makes about 2000 knives a year and only refresh's them once a year.

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Peters: thanks I found it but I also found an accessory kit that has a similar stone in it. The atoma is $65 and the kit is like $35 or something. Much cheaper and you get a bunch of other stuff. Has anyone seen this and can vouch for that stone's quality? I hope I'm not breaking any rules by talking about this....

Any other tips on sharpening high vanadium/hardness/wear resistance knives guys? It's much appreciated.

Thanks,

Bo
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Oh okay. Are you able to tell me a store to buy then in or is that not aloud. I'm not sure if it's just links that aren't aloud.

Thanks,

Bo
 
Bo-dacious said:
Oh okay. Are you able to tell me a store to buy then in or is that not aloud. I'm not sure if it's just links that aren't aloud.

Thanks,

Bo
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If they are not site supporting businesses, take it to PM. Let that be your guide...

These are Spark's (and therefore the site) rules.
 
Bo-dacious said:
Can you send me a link to a micron-mesh chart? I have one and it doesnt have numbers like 400 or 600 it has numbers and dashes like 0-1. Can you send me one that has the numbers that that link you send have like 400,600,800 or whatever?
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Wowbagger said:
Yes you are on the right track. I look forward to getting the resin bonded diamond stones.
All I can say is don't bother with anything but diamonds; mostly and especially for the final refining of the edge.
An 8,000 DMT gets me all the hair whittling I could hope for and I do not strop.
I hate stropping :p :D

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Hey Wowbagger I would like to respectfully disagree with you concerning the final finishing of some of these newer/better blade steels and in particular being S110V which is what this thread is focusing on. Now I do agree with you as far as doing the initial reprofiling with diamond stones because it is a faster and more efficient method of stock removal for a really banged up blade. But for final finishing on S110V I have had some sterling results with Spyderco's Ultra-Fine 302 Benchstone. Again I do like diamond stones for quick reprofiling but for final finishing I've found at least 3 good benchstones and even the ones on Spyderco's 204 Sharpmaker system to be a very good finishing stone in most cases.

My main EDC is made with M390 blade steel and I've used nothing but Spyderco's Ultra-Fine stone for final finishing and I've had excellent results. Why might I ask are you against these other types of stones? And please I'm not trying to be argumentative at all I'm just curious as to why you think they are sub-par?

Now I will agree with you concerning stropping. I've gotten away from it in the past 5 months and now I do my stropping on extremely fine stones with better results. Stropping was probably good with the older, high carbon butcher and professional meat cutting knives of yesterday but with these newer supersteels I do agree it's like using a buggy whip in a modern automobile to some extent. Look forward to your answer.
 
So stropping is no good? I have some 0.5 micron Veritas compound I haven't tried yet. I also have a ceramic hone. Which is better?

Thanks,

Bo
 
Bo-dacious said:
So stropping is no good? I have some 0.5 micron Veritas compound I haven't tried yet. I also have a ceramic hone. Which is better?

Thanks,

Bo
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Try stuff out, see what works, see what happens, you can't ruin it. Don't completely rely on others, might limit you finding something you like.
 
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