Titanium Framelock Question

[Cynic2701]

What percentage of lockup is considered ideal? My Sage 2 has about 30-35% lock up, I was just wondering.

 

[stabman]

What percentage of lockup is considered ideal? My Sage 2 has about 30-35% lock up, I was just wondering.

That's about ideal.
Less than 30% isn't great, and more than 70% leaves little room for wear.
Sounds like you made out good.

 

[puukkoman]

Yep, you're right in the beginning of the most desirable range (IMO).

 

[Cynic2701]

Thanks, good to know.

Since the Sage 2 doesn't have a Hinderer lock stop, is overextention of the lock bar a reasonable concern? Or is that just me imagining all the possible things that could go wrong?

 

[stabman]

Since the Sage 2 doesn't have a Hinderer lock stop, is overextention of the lock bar a reasonable concern?

I wouldn't worry about it, unless you let other people who don't know better operate your knife.
If it's just you doing it, it should be fine.

 

[MORIMOTOM]

Thanks, good to know.

Since the Sage 2 doesn't have a Hinderer lock stop, is overextention of the lock bar a reasonable concern? Or is that just me imagining all the possible things that could go wrong?

very few knives have the hinderer lock, and i dont recall ever reading here about anyone who had issues as a direct result of over extension.

its a nice feature, but more of a safeguard rather than a necessity, imo.

 

[Josh K]

very few knives have the hinderer lock, and i dont recall ever reading here about anyone who had issues as a direct result of over extension.

its a nice feature, but more of a safeguard rather than a necessity, imo.

+1. Hyper extending the lock bar should be very difficult to do.

 

[stabman]

+1. Hyper extending the lock bar should be very difficult to do.

I've seen dumbasses do it.
Don't lend your knives to dumbasses.

 

[Josh K]

I've seen dumbasses do it.
Don't lend your knives to dumbasses.

I read the first sentence and instantly thought "Well then don't lend your knife to a dumbass."

 

[enderwiggin]

It's amazing how many otherwise very intelligent people turn into dumbasses when handed a sharp implement.

 

[stabman]

I read the first sentence and instantly thought "Well then don't lend your knife to a dumbass."

Wise advice.:thumbup:

 

[bearcut]

Thanks, good to know.

Since the Sage 2 doesn't have a Hinderer lock stop, is overextention of the lock bar a reasonable concern? Or is that just me imagining all the possible things that could go wrong?

According to Rick, the lock-stops main function is to keep the lock bar from flexing vertically into the handle. Look at the titanium cutout and imaging what happens when you squeeze the handle, the cutout closes and the bar potentially contacts the handle. This changes the contact point of the lock interface.

Adding the stop bar solves this possible problem.
So, yes, it is a very good design feature. Strider saw this and joined the club.

For some reason, people have gotten the idea that the Hinderer lock-stops primary function is to prevent lock-bar hyperextension. It does that, but that is not its primary function.

 

[stabman]

According to Rick, the lock-stops main function is to keep the lock bar from flexing vertically into the handle. Look at the titanium cutout and imaging what happens when you squeeze the handle, the cutout closes and the bar potentially contacts the handle. This changes the contact point of the lock interface.

Adding the stop bar solves this possible problem.
So, yes, it is a very good design feature. Strider saw this and joined the club.

For some reason, people have gotten the idea that the Hinderer lock-stops primary function is to prevent lock-bar hyperextension. It does that, but that is not its primary function.

It only does this until the lock has worn past a certain point, at which point the lock stabilizer cut-out is past where the metal disk extends to.
One of my SmF's is at this point, and it still has room for the lock to wear.

 

[bartch]

Hi, i am from the Netherlands and i do understand English pretty well normally but i don't have a clue about the subject you are talking about now..can somebody please explain to me in "dutch-english" what you mean with "a percentage of a lockup.."
i have a sage2 myself, is there a way, and how, i can measure this lockup?
Just curious..
Thanks and forgive me my bad english..
Bart

 

[stabman]

Hi, i am from the Netherlands and i do understand English pretty well normally but i don't have a clue about the subject you are talking about now..can somebody please explain to me in "dutch-english" what you mean with "a percentage of a lockup.."
i have a sage2 myself, is there a way, and how, i can measure this lockup?
Just curious..
Thanks and forgive me my bad english..
Bart

How much the lock-bar is across the tang of the blade.
You could figure out percentage with a caliper and a calculator.

 

[bartch]

got it! thanks!

 

[Cynic2701]

How much the lock-bar is across the tang of the blade.
You could figure out percentage with a caliper and a calculator.

Ha, I didn't think about that and I have a caliper sitting right in front of me, I just eyeballed it. But, yeah, it is about a 30-35% anyways.:thumbup:

 

[RevDevil]

I've seen dumbasses do it.
Don't lend your knives to dumbasses.

That is a motto to live by, when a person I know ended up dropping my new CF Native onto a cement patio...Yea, I was

 

[clockman]

CRKs come set up anywhere from about 40% to 80%. Ive got an

Umnumzaan that locks up at 85 to 90%...Its like a fixed blade almost.

I wouldnt feel safe with a frame lock that doesnt have at Least 50%..

a little would be better IMO.

The lockup % on a CRK isnt going to change for a Long Time. The same

goes for most high end frame lock knives IMO.