Titanium? Vision, Unhappy.

lentuk

lentuk

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I bought a pentegon elite a while ago and I love it, Arc lock is cool, well its a pentagon elite. So I decided to splurge on a Titanium? Vision. This thing wieghs more than my Glock! After checking the handles with a magnet (and it stuck like glue) I thought there must have been a mistake, maybee there is a stainless handled Vision.
Nope, after close inspection I can see the handles are layered, thick steel liners with a small, very thin layer of titanium on the outside. I feel ripped off!
The SOG catalog says Titanium handles and at $234.00 retail you would think they should be. I am realy sorry I bought this knife. I guess I will see if I can send it back, but I feel SOG is realy shady for doing this.:thumbdn: :mad: :thumbdn: :mad:
 
I love mine..........and I sure don't feel ripped off at all. :D

I may send them more money because it's such a great knife...............:D






Just kidding, send them an email or call, they should take it back I'm pretty sure if your not pleased. I do really like mine a lot. You must have thought the handles were all TI.....? These pics show they are really not thin, just a layer of stainless supporting, I really like this.

http://www.sogknives.com/vision.htm



warranty@sogknives.com or 1-888-SOG-BEST


Robbie Roberson;)
 
Hmmm I have to agree too. If the knife is as you described, then it must as well not be "'Titanium handles" but "Titanium-coated handles"... :grumpy:
 
I have a different opinion about my Vision. I love the weight on Vision. It lay on my hand solid and I feel secured. Mine Ti ratio is 2/3 of Ti with SS. Not as thin as you described. Yet, Sog website does honestly mention SS inlay in handle. I must agree with their marketing stredegy about titanium handle might be a bit exaggerated. But it sounds weird to advertise Vision as "partial titanium" Handle. Put yourself in their shoe, would you advertise like that??

This knife turn my head away from BM snody 420. The large nake steel never look prettier. Compare with my BM 940Ti, I certainly love Vision size better. If wasn't because of my last Axis lock in hand, BM940Ti might be a gonner.

SOG Vision opening/close action is much smooth than my CR sebenza & RRF in my opiniion.

My complain:

1)The Ti handle finish isn't ideal for EDC. scratch easily, yet, I use kitchen scour pad remove the finish. Which gives Ti handle a smooth shine look. Now i don't worry about scratch mark any more.

2)Tanto has real mean combat look, but i kind of wish Vision has a drop point brother.

Over all I am very satisfy with the purchase, considering the reliability, smooth action, it does worth 110 for new. Vision is the only duplicat knife that I own at this moment. 1 EDC, 1 backup.
 
I must say, this is a nice knife but, I bought it thinking it would be light! it is almost half a pound. For about the same money you can get ALL Titanium handled folders made by top notch companies.

Benchmade, 630+635-$240.00-$200.00 all Ti.
Bradley Alias, 1+2- $275.00-$225.00 all Ti.
Combat Elite, Tactical Elite, $275.00 all Ti.

So when they say Titanium handle for $234.00, you should get an all Titanium handle!!!!! In the 2005 catalog it makes no mention of stainless in the handle description. I should not have to search the website to see if a product is not as listed, other knife companies dont have these things 'in the fine print'.
I am not saying this is not a great knife, It is just FALSE to say Titanium when its not. 'Partial Titanium SOG Vision' is what it should say.:mad:
 
I have a Leatherman Charge that of course has titanium handles. But they are very thin with steel liners. I dont feel slighted by it. It is a nice tool with a nice looking handle. I really like the way the titanium looks. I looked up a picture of the knife in question on SOG's site. Very nice! I would be very proud of a knife like that.


John
 
They could not make the handles out of solid titanium because of the "omega" springs. Also, you can find the titanium vision going for roughly $120.00. I love my g-10 vision. :cool::thumbup:
 
Pure titanium may be lighter than an equal amount of SS, but there are some important issues related to manufacturing as well as useage. Pure TI is very brittle unless alloyed with another metal, ie., SS. Also, pure TI is very prone to scratching when used. Also absorbes body oils. And, from the manufacturers standpoint, extremely difficult to machine. Because of its hardness, takes very specialized tools to machine. While TI can be colored, (different process than anodizing), again, due to its extreme hardness, very difficult to do and maintain color consistency. The neat thing about TI, either pure or alloyed, is that if you get a scratch on it, you can brush it out with a brillo pad or very fine steel wool. Also, because TI reacts with oxygen (the stuff we try to breathe), the scratch will eventually darken with time and handling. But, I do agree that SOG should advertise that the handles are not pure TI, but either alloyed with SS or just a coating.
 
Just wanted to clarify that it may be understood by the knife industry that knife handles may be just that, just the handle but Titanium frame means more like the knife structural foundation (at least) made out of titanium.

Where you expecting a Titanium FRAME? I just read in the specs very clearly:

"Handle: Titanium scales, Stainless steel liners."


However, if your knife really weights more than your Glock, then they are commiting false and misleading advertisement because your knife is advertised as weighting only 4oz.
 
I talked to SOG customer service today, There saying that " no one else has complained" So you can say what you want about SOG, you can have your own opinions but I think this is a dishonest attempt at confusing the customer into thinking you are getting an all titanium handled knife.

I am through with this post. Thanks for all your input.
 
The handles are titanium and the liners are stainless steel. If you look at the edge of the handles, you can see where the two metals touch. The purpose for making the liners stainless steel is for rigidity.

Between the heavy blade and the stainless steel liners, the knife still has noticeable weight. But if the handles had been stainless steel, too (in addition to the liners), you'd have an knife weighing something close to a Tomcat.
 
I agree with Lentuk. He is the end user. I'd send it back and maybe get the model with zytel handles. Nothing wrong with stainless liners. If the handles were made from 6AL4V Titainium the Vision wouldn't need SS liners. I wouldn't be happy with that model either.
 
robertmegar said:
Where you expecting a Titanium FRAME? I just read in the specs very clearly:

"Handle: Titanium scales, Stainless steel liners."
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But they refer to the "titanium handle" twice in the description above it. They did say it had steel liners in the specs list, but they don't follow their own language in the text. The specs say the handle is made up of scales and liners, but the text just says "titanium handle," not titanium scales.
 
It sounds like an issue of semantics. Personally, I would say that scales and handles are the same (since that is the part the hand grips to use the knife), while the liners are part of the inner or greater knife (actually making up the substructure). From my understanding, scales should be able to be removed and/or replaced without serious structural failure of the knife.
 
Wunderbar said:
Nothing wrong with stainless liners. If the handles were made from 6AL4V Titainium the Vision wouldn't need SS liners. I wouldn't be happy with that model either.
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Not true at all. Anyone who knows how the Arc lock works should know that you have to have liners to make the lock function. The springs that move the lock bar sit between the scale and liner.
 
Well if you dont like it you can always send it my way :D . I'll even go as far as to pay for shipping.
 
MaxFisher said:
Not true at all. Anyone who knows how the Arc lock works should know that you have to have liners to make the lock function. The springs that move the lock bar sit between the scale and liner.
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You're right. I should have said full liners.
 
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