Photos Tnoughts, real or fake?

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If you are referring to the damascus I guess you can say it just has a very poor etch.
Remember though, that if you take two or more of ANY types of metal, regardless of the type of metal (tin, pot metal, etc.) and forge them together it is a damascus.
Real or fake is irrelevant. Like Rat said, it's quite obviously a piece of junk. I hope you don't plan on taking that anywhere that you would have to depend on it for more than one use.
 
Rat Finkenstein said:
real or fake what? It's a real POS pakistan made "tracker"
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There are tons of those junk "county fair/flea market" type knives floating around. They are basically meant to be wall hangers, but that is like hanging a dirty diaper in a frame in your home. For a knife meant to be used, get something that isn't necessarily any kind of Damascus and stick with a standard homogenous steel, anything from 1080, 1095 to 3V, 154Cm will be better than the former.
 
RevDevil said:
There are tons of those junk "county fair/flea market" type knives floating around. They are basically meant to be wall hangers, but that is like hanging a dirty diaper in a frame in your home. For a knife meant to be used, get something that isn't necessarily any kind of Damascus and stick with a standard homogenous steel, anything from 1080, 1095 to 3V, 154Cm will be better than the former.
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Great, now I gotta take down the dirty diapers from my walls. I was trying to start a new fad.
 
Technically it's an object made in Pakistan from some form of Damascus material , but I'd not call it a knife.
All too often do people buy bad knives based on looks when especially with fixed blades they could just save their selves some money and buy a 12$ Mora knife.
You really don't need a fancy fixed blade to get the job done . All that's really needed is a great piece of steel with a razor edge and functional handle , and that's exactly what you get with a Mora. You can actually spend up to a 100$ and get a knife that's nowhere near as good as a 12$ Mora.
 
You have a real knife, but Damascus steel is the blade steel, not a coating covering the surface of the blade, obviously you have the latter. You didn't ask about functionality, but your knife was obviously designed to be a show piece, so I recommend limiting it's uses to exactly that.
 
What is that thing on the tip? Just something to protect against it poking through the package?
 
TheEdge01 said:
You have a real knife, but Damascus steel is the blade steel, not a coating covering the surface of the blade, obviously you have the latter. You didn't ask about functionality, but your knife was obviously designed to be a show piece, so I recommend limiting it's uses to exactly that.
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What makes you think its not really Damascus? I agree its a show piece and I wouldn't use it for anything. But the only thing that makes the pattern in most Damascus apparent is after it is etched or put in a salt bath. But you can make the pattern of Damascus very hard to see. I can tell from the picture its real damascus.
 
PURPLEDC said:
What makes you think its not really Damascus? I agree its a show piece and I wouldn't use it for anything. But the only thing that makes the pattern in most Damascus apparent is after it is etched or put in a salt bath. But you can make the pattern of Damascus very hard to see. I can tell from the picture its real damascus.
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It didn't look like Damascus to me, it appeared to me to be a blade coated to appear to be Damascus. If it is real Damascus, why bother coating it to give it the look? Obviously, you are more proficient in spotting Damascus steel than myself.
 
TheEdge01 said:
It didn't look like Damascus to me, it appeared to me to be a blade coated to appear to be Damascus. If it is real Damascus, why bother coating it to give it the look? Obviously, you are more proficient in spotting Damascus steel than myself.
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It doesn't look like its coated to me at all. To me it looks like a poorly made billet of Damascus that has a dark etch. But if you look at the sharpening you can see where the lighter veins transition into that sharpening. If it was fake Damascus that pattern while hard to see on the edge would be completely non existent. But if you look at any Damascus knife that was sharpened after the etch the edge will always at first glance look like plain steel. Etches can be dark, light and you can even make Damascus green, blue and red with a salt bath. But I don't see a coating of any kind. I think the darkness on the primary grind is simply a shadow being cast from the close up picture. And even fake Damascus knives usually wont have a coating of any kind. Fake Damascus is usually done by masking off a pattern on the blade and then doing an acid etch or the pattern is created with a laser etch.
 
PURPLEDC said:
It doesn't look like its coated to me at all. To me it looks like a poorly made billet of Damascus that has a dark etch. But if you look at the sharpening you can see where the lighter veins transition into that sharpening. If it was fake Damascus that pattern while hard to see on the edge would be completely non existent. But if you look at any Damascus knife that was sharpened after the etch the edge will always at first glance look like plain steel. Etches can be dark, light and you can even make Damascus green, blue and red with a salt bath. But I don't see a coating of any kind. I think the darkness on the primary grind is simply a shadow being cast from the close up picture. And even fake Damascus knives usually wont have a coating of any kind. Fake Damascus is usually done by masking off a pattern on the blade and then doing an acid etch or the pattern is created with a laser etch.
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Wow!!! You really know your stuff, thanks for the info.
 

Here's what a cheap simulated Damascus Steel looks like.
( a 5$ American mint liner lock BTW )
As far as I can tell its not a coating but is layer etched into the Steel which is listed as 420.
 
Purple, what do you make of the massive area near the spine that looks like a chipped coating? I guess it could be that the billet just had a massive chunk of one material in it, but I struggle to figure out how that could happen. anyway, its nothing special either way.
 
gadgetgeek said:
Purple, what do you make of the massive area near the spine that looks like a chipped coating? I guess it could be that the billet just had a massive chunk of one material in it, but I struggle to figure out how that could happen. anyway, its nothing special either way.
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that to me looks like an area where the etch isn't taking. Its really hard to say without seeing it up close in person. Might have even been an area with a bad weld and a layer simply flaked off. Damascus being pattern welded steel can actually have its layers separate if there was any impurities present during the manufacturing process. I don't even know if or what type of flux they use in Pakistan to ensure proper adhesion of the welds. I really cant tell what is going on there. I'm not sure if the very faint pattern is just plain steel that never was folded in and thus has no pattern at all. Or if its still Damascus that just isn't taking an etch. The only way to know would be to sand that area and re etch the blade and see if a pattern emerges or if it just darkens.
 
Makes sense. I suppose its functionally equivalent to what can happen with a piece of wood, where one area becomes unsupported by the timber around it and cracks away, such as when a thin layer a heartwood is part of a plank that is mostly sapwood.
 
Upon first read of the thread title, I thought this was going to be a discussion of the ontological status of epistemic entities and how to distinguish a "real" epistemic entity from a "fake" one, which implies that we were going to be offered criteria for performing such acts of distinction. Imagine, if you will, my disappointment upon opening the thread and seeing a picture of Pakistani crap.

I guess I can still spend some time debating with myself upon the veridicality of whether that is truly Pakistani crap or some other perceptual phenomena at play.

Mom was right: it really does pay to be an optimistic Pangloss.
 
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