To customize or not? Vojpuri Bowie in the spotlight

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Hi all,

It's been long time now since my last sharking:D or visit to the forum for that matter.
Lots of new guys here...lots of new exiting stuff.

Reason for post: Awhile ago I've ordered a custom Vojpuri Bowie from auntie, and
as you would imagine with custom stuff it took a good month to arrive. Shop floods, misfortune, me living at world's end, customs, you name it, it happened.
Finally I got the khuk together with some others I've been holding on stand by.
Box opened in a hurry, brief decision time as to which one to slide of the scabbard first...of-coarse...the Bowie.
I should say upfront that, when I've ordered the Bowie, I did not specify anything but for the blade not to have a Cho. So HI or auntie is not to blame for my "dislikes" below.
First impressions... something is wrong.
Perhaps I've been imagining it for so long, I forgot what it should look like.
Slightly rusted blade, nothing a good rub won't fix. Not a problem, we know there was a flood in the shop.
Handling / balance - not good...tipping heavily to the front for such a small blade.
Sharpness - scary.
Weight - scary too. 505 gram without the scabbard.
Handle - almost squire, beaffy and longer than required/needed. Very slippery too.
Cho - missing, as per the order. no surprises there.

Here's a pic:
bow1.jpg


This was to be a everyday carry in the bush knife.
Slightly disappointed, I've put it away in the hope I'll like it the next day.
Not so...same feeling. Put it away again and started collecting courage to customize it myself. and so a month went...
Finally, I've had it and put it on the "workbench".
My aim here was primarily to reduce the weight of the blade and to reduce the handle so it fits my hand like a glove.
Note the enormously (for a small knife) thick spine...and the part within the handle doesn't really taper down either.
bow2.jpg


OK, so no biggie then...
I've drilled the aluminum studs and carefully separated the handles.
Boy does this laha (glue) hold tight or what.
Of to the grinder and belt sander.
Making sure the blade is cooled frequently in water I've ground away the bottom part of the blade to a more sharper angle. If you look back at the first picture, you'll see the difference.
The original angle is so fat that prohibits the blade from chopping properly, let alone cutting meat as it pushes it aside too much too soon.
bow3.jpg


Going from blade to handle:
I've decided that the enormous "finger guard" has to be slimmed down too.
Hey, every gram counts. So I've cut it almost in half, very carefully with a hacksaw.
bow4.jpg


Note the still thick spine of the handle part:
bow5.jpg


And after some more grinding and thinning:
a more sensible thickness of the handle spine part.
bow6.jpg


Well that's it: more or less done with the metal bashing.
I've never touched the blade's edges, or got them hot during all of this.
bow7.jpg


Now: because I've cut the finger guard in half, the handle scales don't fit anymore correctly, so I've drilled new holes for them and reshaped the half pieces to fit as perfect as I could.
I've also reshaped the back of the knife (bolster) to be able to drill a hole there for a lineyard...later got off the idea, but it still makes a nice skull crusher and I can still drill out that hole if needed.
bow8.jpg


Time to put the handle back together with some epoxy.
Messy business, so no pic's of it.
I've cut the handle pins to size +1mm over each side.
Made absolutely sure that everything fits ok dry fitted.
Countersink the handle holes ever so slightly (not too deep)
then mixed the glue and applied.
Pins go in, all in a hurry cause the glue is setting. Note the pins are larger than the original, but this is Africa and I had difficulty finding the same sizes.
Then mushroomed the ends of the pins as properly as I could with small hammer and let the glue to dry hard.
bow9.jpg


Two days later, I've filed the excess heads of the pins to be inline with the handle, cleaned up everything and in general finished the knife.
One problem remained, the slippery handle.
So, taking inspiration from Rajkumar (the original maker of the Bowie)
I've used a smal triangle file to make some grooves in the handle scales.
It didn't turn out too bad IMHO. No more slippery handle.
bow10.jpg


And here's the finished Vojpuri Bowie back in it's original scabbard.
I'm thinking of making a new one of those too...some other time.
Overall "improvements"::rolleyes:
Weight 405 gram (a whole 100 gram exactly taken of the knife's weight)
Slimmer, somewhat shorter and not so slippery handle.
I've sharpened the first part of the top of the blade too (and intentionally dulled the second part).
Much better balance overall.
I did my best to preserve the original HI markings on the knife.
bow11.jpg


This custom baby is now beyond scary sharp and pointy.
I've cut meat and chopped with it too. No problems. OK, it is not a dedicated chopper but it's not suppose to be. However, it does quite well for size and weight around the camp fire.

I'm thinking of pairing it with a gift that auntie send me...a small utility karda like knife with a handle from Pala himself.
Note to me: I do need another 'dual' scabbard.
Thanks Auntie! I've sharpen it and now gets used for fine detail jobs.

I hope you like my ramblings.:D
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DanSmithy
 
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Welcome back Danny!

A lot of detailed steps involved and it's been enjoyable to have you "dissect" the bowie and put them back the way you want it.

Have you thought about making the a lanyard hole at the butt? I see the tip as glass breaker/ self-defense thingy.
 
I think those are some fantastic mods:)

Part of the fun of owning an HI is customizing it to fit your needs. Language, physical, and cultural boundaries sometimes mean that what we order isn't exactly what shows up.

I can't think of a single user HI that I haven't tweaked in some way or another. I have a 14" Trisul that Yangdu had made for me. Loved the blade, but the handle wasn't doing it for me. I pried off the grips, modified the handle shape, cold blued the whole thing, and gave the chiruwa tang a braided nylon thread wrap. Fits my hand better, lighter, and certainly looks more sinister:D
 
Cool mod! I like the new look

You are correct to reduce weight of the handle. It will improve the overall balance.

Cheers
 
Man, you did a FANTASTIC job there! I wish I had the skills to customize my blades like that. Luckily, everything from HI seems pretty ideal to me as it is. Great job!
 
Great review and pictures Dan. Thanks!

You've truly made this knife your own. As you continue to use it and your opinion of the design and your mods changes over time, please come back here and tell us of the developments. I'm quite sure that your mods will be an inspiration for some other people, and your experience over time with the modifications will be quite valuable information to them.

Kami Sherpa gave me one of these knives. It had been on my list of things to do to post about it here on the forum. A few of my impressions here. Some are contrasting yours but that just goes to show that different strokes are required for different folks.

- Mine has a horn handle, very smooth and probably even more slippery than wood. However, the slipperiness is not an issue for me due to the handle design. Between the integral guard and the birdshead on the back the handle gives a very secure mechanical lock-in. Mine just fits my hand and it isn't going anywhere.
- The knife is very stout, short, and solid. A troll's knife. (Although Rusty was partial to light thin blades I'm thinking he would have really liked this one. Rusty himself was short and stout, and no nonsense, just like this knife.) The solid forward weight gives chopping ability not often seen in a knife of this size. The knife reminds me of the S&W snubbys to which I am so partial.
- A very interesting false edge. I'm going to have to touch up the edge on mine with the belt sander. Most khukuri-type knives do not lend themselves to the bowie-style backcut, but this one does. The heft of this blade means that whatever a backcut hits is going to either be cut or break, and possibly both. The interesting shape of the false edge has the effect that the backcut presents not just a receding edge as a false edge on a standard khukuri shape would, but variable angles of attack as the cutting motion is completed.

My experience is that this knife, although odd looking at first, really tends to grow on one.
 
Danny,

In terms of weight reduction, you can shave down the thickness of the tang. i.e tapering from the bolster (5mm thick) to the end of the handle (2.5mm thick).

Besides, you can put some more ergonomic touch to the handle, make it rounder with some finger groves, then weight can be reduced.

Shaving off the edge will help the blade become sharp. However, in terms of appearance, the blade will look a bit "flat". I dont know how much metal is left on both sides of the V bevel after you shave. My suggestion is to use a flat diamond file to re-create the bevel for it, some how similar to the original with a sharper angle.

Cheers,

Hung
 
Welcome back Danny!

A lot of detailed steps involved and it's been enjoyable to have you "dissect" the bowie and put them back the way you want it.

Have you thought about making the a lanyard hole at the butt? I see the tip as glass breaker/ self-defense thingy.

Thanks Jay.
The "scull crusher" :D, as i call it, indeed had to have a hole for a lanyard, but later I got off the idea and did not drill the hole. In general I don't like things tangling from the back of my blades. I can always drill that hole if necessary.

@Hung
Thanks man.
Most of the weight reduction was done on the tang. Now it tapers from top to bottom and from front to back.
I didn't skim the blade bevel too much. There's enough metal behind the edge to keep it strong.
I'll take some measurements of the blade thickness and post a picture later.

my internet is ssoooo slow today, will reply to others later
cause the tread is heavy with pics....wonder who put them here:rolleyes:
 
Great review and pictures Dan. Thanks!

You've truly made this knife your own.

Kami Sherpa gave me one of these knives. A few of my impressions here. Some are contrasting yours but that just goes to show that different strokes are required for different folks.

- Mine has a horn handle, very smooth and probably even more slippery than wood. However, the slipperiness is not an issue for me due to the handle design. Between the integral guard and the birdshead on the back the handle gives a very secure mechanical lock-in. Mine just fits my hand and it isn't going anywhere.
- The knife is very stout, short, and solid. A troll's knife. (Although Rusty was partial to light thin blades I'm thinking he would have really liked this one. Rusty himself was short and stout, and no nonsense, just like this knife.) The solid forward weight gives chopping ability not often seen in a knife of this size. The knife reminds me of the S&W snubbys to which I am so partial.
- A very interesting false edge. I'm going to have to touch up the edge on mine with the belt sander. Most khukuri-type knives do not lend themselves to the bowie-style backcut, but this one does. The heft of this blade means that whatever a backcut hits is going to either be cut or break, and possibly both. The interesting shape of the false edge has the effect that the backcut presents not just a receding edge as a false edge on a standard khukuri shape would, but variable angles of attack as the cutting motion is completed.

My experience is that this knife, although odd looking at first, really tends to grow on one.

Thanks Howard.
Your handle design is totally different from mine, specifically the birdhead at the back.
That gives a lot of grip when chopping and holds you hand firmly in place when cutting.

I agree about the blade "strange" design, but it's a good one and the "false" edge isn't false on mine anymore:D
It cuts like a demon and it's an awesome stabber.
The whole shape of the khuk is just right for stabbing as you don't need to twist you hand forward to achieve a straight stab,
it takes natural straight position as you lift you hand from bottom to forward position.

Yes, this is now truly my own knife:D I love it!
Will keep you posted on usage and developments.
 
Danny,

In terms of weight reduction, you can shave down the thickness of the tang. i.e tapering from the bolster (5mm thick) to the end of the handle (2.5mm thick).

Shaving off the edge will help the blade become sharp. However, in terms of appearance, the blade will look a bit "flat". I dont know how much metal is left on both sides of the V bevel after you shave. My suggestion is to use a flat diamond file to re-create the bevel for it, some how similar to the original with a sharper angle.

Cheers,

Hung

I agree about the somewhat "flat" look...but I prefer the blade to cut smoothly. As it was before it looked like a flat piece of metal steeply
sharpened on both sides. it reminded me of a sharpened pry-bar.:eek:
Here's some dimensions with before and after:
bow12.jpg


bow13.jpg
 
I think those are some fantastic mods:)

Part of the fun of owning an HI is customizing it to fit your needs. Language, physical, and cultural boundaries sometimes mean that what we order isn't exactly what shows up.

I can't think of a single user HI that I haven't tweaked in some way or another. I have a 14" Trisul that Yangdu had made for me. Loved the blade, but the handle wasn't doing it for me. I pried off the grips, modified the handle shape, cold blued the whole thing, and gave the chiruwa tang a braided nylon thread wrap. Fits my hand better, lighter, and certainly looks more sinister:D

I received this Bowie and sword in the mail this morning and I am new here also it is my fist H I that i have owned so i may change my mind later but i went to the woods behind my house about 10 min after opening the box and tried them out on some "unsuspecting lumber" and i cant think of anything i would change -- but that being said -- i do think the mods mention in this thread sound really great

I just dont think i would change these they feel perfect in my hand and chop like nobody's business

the person before me blued the blade so pic is dark

he said the skinner and the piggyback sheath was made by Dan Koster to match the Bowie

maybe when i get a khukuri i will feel like changing it


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You picked up some fine blades there BFH44. Congratulations. Glad that you like them and that they feel right. It is interesting how when you first get an HI blade you feel compelled to go wreak havoc on wood.
 
You picked up some fine blades there BFH44. Congratulations. Glad that you like them and that they feel right. It is interesting how when you first get an HI blade you feel compelled to go wreak havoc on wood.


right it was an irresistible urge to go cut something -- I could not stop myself - almost as if possessed :D
 
I do like the way the previous posts did things to make it be they way they want -I think that is great -

I also didnt realize it was a different Bowie

i am thinking now about the next one and what to do to it before i get it -- maybe i should see how it feels first :)
 
I think those are some fantastic mods:)

Part of the fun of owning an HI is customizing it to fit your needs.

I can't think of a single user HI that I haven't tweaked in some way or another.:D

Somehow I've missed that one... sorry S_G
Indeed part of the fun is to make it your own blade.
All of my khuks are customized / modded in some way or another.
Having said that, I don't have a single "hang it on the wall" or "for resale" khuk...so if anything doesn't "fit" me, undergoes a mod or two.
All of my khuks are 'users' and get used in one way or another.
May be I should post a new tread with all the mods:confused:
I have somewhat smaller hands so mostly is work done on the handles.


@BFH44
That's some fine steel you got there man. :thumbup:congrats!
and welcome to HIKV, that urge to pick it up and chop-till-you-drop is a sure sign:D:D

BTW: now can be your chance to pisk up the Vojpuri Bowie from the 16day of Christmas DOTD
12" and 12oz weight sounds just about right, and the price is a gift
Mine come at 12" 18oz (now is 12" 14oz)
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I am still learning all these abbreviations - i am knew to typing and internet forums - what does DOTD mean - thank you
 
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