To Sal Re: Military 2000 Model

[Andres]

First of all let me say that this is my first time to post on this forum and that I am greatly impressed that a man of your position cares enough to moderate this forum for your customers. Now getting to my topic. I have read about the failure of the liner lock on the Military Model. I am on the verge of buying a Military Model and I need to know if these problems have been taken care of. Also, is the ATS34 steel really wort the extra price and why. Thank you.

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[This message has been edited by Andres (edited 08-03-2000).]

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[Ferret]

Welcome!

My experience is you've gotta work extremely hard at it to get the lock to "fail" and one the very rare occasion that it does its only a tiny flick away from a relock

 

[cerulean]

Howdy, Andres... and Welcome!

Whatever you read about the failure of the Military's liner lock should probably be taken with a grain of salt. I'll bet my bottom dollar that the person reporting on the "failure" was attempting to make the lock fail on purpose.

Beware of pseudomethodology which claims that various "grip tests" reflect real-life standards. Such tests are nothing more than subjective, unscientific speculation.

 

[MNH]

Andres,

The Military blade steel has been CPM 440 V for some time. There are a few places where you may still find an ATS 34 Military here or there but recent production is 440 V.

Generally, I think we agree that ATS 34 is a very good blade steel especially when it is properly hardened. CPM 440 V is a little higher on the premium steel list.


Mike

 

[Brad Kenney]

The Military is a great large folding knife with a solid lock-up. I don't see how you will disengage the lock without losing hold of the knife first. Go ahead and buy it, enjoy it and if you decide to change, you'll be able to sell for a good price.

Brad

 

[Nemo]

Hello,

You asked about ATS-34 ?
Knowing the reliability of the Military
and the intelligence of its designers.
I won't mind what blade steel it could be.

Spydermen knows about heat treatment.
You can trust them.

cheers,

JM
If I were you, I would buy that Militay and enjoy it every single day.
A big pleasure.
Knowing also Steven Dick (Tactical Knives) write in his book about Folders that he prefered the ATS34 blade for easy resharpening.
frankly since the time he wrote the book we all know that Spyderco CPM440V is really easy to resharp..
(Spyderco(s people is so wise, they know about rockwell and all that stuff...)

 

[Sal Glesser]

Andres - Welcome to the Spyderco forum and thanks to all of you for the kind words.

Keeping in mind that nothing is totally infalable, IMO, our locks are about as good as it gets when it comes to reliablility.

sal

 

[samo]

I've thrashed mine - so far so good! The liner's still locking!

 

[misque]

I'll throw in my two bits and say the Military and Starmate liner-locks are some of the most reliable locking mechanisms I've found on any liner-locking type of folder. I spine whack the crap out of my liner-locks on occasion just to make sure they are holding up and neither the Military or the Starmate has shown any inkling of failing this test of lock reliability. Ever. (I have two Starmates and a Military and will be buying the upgraded model when it's available).
As for your choice of ATS34, I think you should try out the Military model with the CPM440V blade. I've had nothing at all bad to say about the 440V. It has performed very well for me to the point where it has become my favorite stainless steel. Next in line is a tie between VG10 and BG42.
The Military really is an all around great package IMO. I hope you enjoy yours as much as I enjoy mine!

BTW, Welcome to the Forums.

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[Andres]

Hey guys thanks for all the useful information. Based on your entries I went with the 440V plain edged blade. I have been hearing a lot of good things about it. I look forward to gettin my knife on Monday