Today' Knife History Lesson

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This is a picture taken early 1900's of some of the workers of the Ulster Knife Company in Ellenville New York.

In 1871 The Ellenville Co-Operative Knife Co. set up shop in the old Ellenville Iron Works, also known as the Bloomer Foundry on Canal Street. The cooperative association organized for the purpose of engaging in the manufacture of pocket cutlery was formed in Naugatuck, Connecticut. It consisted of fifty members, all of whom were skilled workmen, and a majority of whom had been trained in the cutlery center of Sheffield, England.

In 1875 the company reorganized as the Ulster Knife Co. "The Ulster Knife Company" was incorporated by Jacob Hermance, John Lyon, Alfred Neafie, R. Harvey Brodhead and Dwight Divine.

In 1878 Dwight Divine took over the entire responsibility for the Ulster Knife Co., and continued the business as an individual enterprise, although he retained the organization of the Ulster Knife Company. William Booth, one of the original group, was retained as foreman, and so continued until his death many years later. Mr. Divine proved to be a very efficient business man, and gradually straightened out the tangled financial situation and placed the business on a paying basis, in spite of a fire which destroyed the plant in 1880. The buildings were soon replaced. About four hundred workmen were finally employed.

In 1926, Mr. Divine organized as Dwight Divine & Sons, Inc., taking into partnership his two sons, C. Dwight and John H. Divine, who carried on the business of The Ulster Knife Company after the death of their father in 1932. John H. Divine died in November, 1943.
In 1941, the Ulster Knife Company was sold to a group headed by Albert and Henry Baer of New York City, and the control of the company was transferred from the Divine family.



In 1942, Ulster Knife and Imperial Knife join to become Imperial Knife Associated Companies. The company commits itself to producing knives for the military throughout World War II.

In 1946, Albert M. Baer bought Schrade Cutlery Company and renamed it the Schrade Walden Cutlery Corp. It became a division of Imperial Knife Associated Companies Group.



After moving the manufacturing of Schrade Walden Cutlery to Ellenville in 1958, the next year, 1959, Schrade's Old Timer Series was introduced. As odd as it may seem, the first three of these Old Timer knife patterns were made under the Ulster tang stamp. After a promotion in the early 1960's in conjunction with Prince Albert Tobacco, the schrade Walden tang stamp began being used on these knives, and the series was expanded.



In 1967, another line was introduced, the Uncle Henry Signature Series, bearing the likeness of Henry Baer's signature.



Together, these two series of knives became the world's best selling knives.

Codger
 
Codger,

Very interesting, thanks for posting that. I have a couple of questions: Are the Ulster OTs really the first? They were produced in the early 60s, but I thought maybe the 2OT, 8OT, and 34OT predated them? I can't really back that up but I think I heard that somewhere, probably here...

Thanks,
Dave

P.S. I believe the PA offer was several years later, when they wanted to unload the Ulster OTs. I have a copy of the offer, which expired 12/31/73.
 
The 10OT was made between 1964 and 1967. The 50OT and 58OT were made between 1961 and 1966. The ZIP code on the offers was started in 1962. This places the offer between 1964 and 1966. Since there were thousands of the knives sent out on the offer, it dispells the idea that they were unloading overstocked knives. It was really the first mass marketing attempt for the Old Timer line. The 2OT may well be the first Schrade tanged Old Timer, listed in 1959 and produced for five years (13,000 pcs, according to records), or the 8OT marketed in 1960, but the trio of Ulsters were the flagship marketing campaign. I'm sure that someone else can chime in on this with more details.

Codger
 
Thanks Codger, great info and the pics are awesome. I wish knife companies still did promotional deals like the Prince Albert series, that would be some fun stuff. The last promo the came close was the Schrade/Skoal/Cope stuff from the previous decade. I've seen a few other promo's for other tabacco co's, but they involved chi-knives and really nasty chew. Heck, one company was giving away free samples and the snuff was so bad tasting, even a tightwad like me wouldn't take it for free just to get a chi-made freebie knife.
 
You could always use the snuff to worm the dog, but that would still leave you with the knife. Maybe you could pay them to take it back. How much is dog wormer these days?

Codger
 
Why would I worm my dog with foul tasting chew?

I'll just give him the same stuff I use, my mutt deserves the best snuff/wormer there is. Good enough for me, good enough for a dog:D
 
Neat pictures Codger. They seem to show that it was all in a Day's Work, as it were. .:eek: :)

Bill

P.S.
Just noticed only ONE person wasn't wearing a hat. Nice slice of history.
 
Thanks for the info Codger. Any idea if this is the same building that Canal Street Cutlery is now in?

Dennis
 
A little note on the PA offer.
I have heard that right up until closing, if the wrappers came in with the 2.00 Schrade was honoring the offer sending a knife. I dont know what was substituted for the original Ulsters. The expiration date was never inforced. Thats just good Customer Service!
As DLK says the open question is when did the offer start.

I've tried to contact R.J Reynolds and the current owner of the P.A. name for some history and sadly no information was available. When the P.A. name changed hands the history was lost.

Maybe one of the can collectors on ebay can help us?
I posted the P.A. article and pictures on the collectors-of-schrades-r.us web page with a good look at the wrapper from DLK.
Thanks
 
This question of when is intrigueing, and an answer is out there somewhere. Magazine ads? A tobacco distributor? An old store owner? I looked for the number of knives sent that I had seen posted, by LT, I think, but could not find it. It was a large enough number to require many production runs before '67. Maybe someone can mine the number back out of the posts. Seems like it was when he told the story of the pelt being sent in with coupons for payment.
EDIT: FOUND IT!
lt632ret said:
These three modelsl were the only OT knives under the Ulster tang. Although as brought out the same pattern was used on contracts ect. I am attaching a picture of a full set including coupon that I presently have on display in Ellenville. To answer another question of the three patterns 400 THOUSAND of these knives were sold under this promotion. In fact last night at the Ellenville exhibit we had the walk through for the public I also babbled for 2 hours and I had the honor of having ( The legend ) Dave Swinden there to help out with knowledge. Strangly enough this very promotion came up in conversation I then told the story of the integrity of Schrade by telling the story of how 20 years later (well into the eightys ) someone sent in the coupons and 2 dollars and Schrade being Schrade sent a letter of apology that the promotion had ended and that these knives were no longer available however they were sending the then made nearest version ( then being made in lieu ). In other words they still honored the coupon. Now, that I though that was a pretty good story however Dave topped it he explained how so many knives were being requested that the eventually needed 3 girls to open the letters ( which almost all had 2 one dollar bills in them ) Yes in those days you could still send money in the mail, he told of a large envelope coming in requesting a knife when one of the girls opened it and stuck her hand in the envelope she let out a scream. It seems a southern fellow had put a muskrat pelt in as payment his note explained that he did not have the 2 dollars but that the muskrat pelt should cover it. By the way Schrade sent the knife. LT

Codger
 
He he, here I am making another off topic post, but hey it is history right?.

Here's a picture from 1904, that's my grandfather at age 4 with his parents.

Luis


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