Today's test: What is wrong with these pictures?

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Buying a NIB limited Edition Scrimshaw knife should be easy as falling off a budget, right? These pictures illustrate why it is important to be able to recognize what a complete knife should look like. How many things about this MIB knife assemblage point out a problem?

A brief trip to the collectors-of-schrades-r.us site will clue in the clueless here.

http://www.collectors-of-schrades-r.us/FLYERS/1980s/pages/SC82-8H.htm

Codger
 
Well, you know I am new here and I am running out the door here in several minutes to meet a customer for lunch, so I don't have the time to check out the collectors-of-schrades for the clue.. However, I'll hazard a guess and say I have never seen scrimshaw quite like that before on any Schrade older or newer. The quality of the scrim from what I can make out in the photo seems to be sub-standard.. What the heck is that figure supposed to be anyway?. A Billy Goat?. Maybe?. Naaaaaah.:D
 
It is a poor picture of the scrim, granted, but the art pattern is authentic enough, though it might be a weak stamping. It is a Bighorn Sheep.



Codger
 
Dang, I'm still clueless (also new here), even after studying it pretty closely. Can't see any problems just looking at the pictures and not ever seeing one in person. Is the top bolster a little too large and the rightmost handle pin in the wrong place?

Wrong bolster material?

Eric.
 
hi, shouldnt that knife have come with a brown box for when that knife was made,cant really see nothing wrong with the actual knife but wrong sheath perhaps?thanks
 
Again, the knife and the art on it are correct. The clues lie in the box, sheath, and paperwork.

First, the box. While it may well have been intended to contain a Scrimshaw knife, examples of this box design have shown that they were used almost exclusively for knives intended for the European market. The box design appeared circa 1989-91. The logo on the box tells us that it was made post 1989.

Second, the paper. Note the SCHRADE TOUGH logo. That first appeared circa 1995.

Third the sheath bears the last logo design with the cutler emblem. That logo is post 1984.

The SC507 Bighorn Sheep which I pointed out on the collector's archive site, is from the 1982 Scrimshaw Of The Great American Outdoors set. At that time, Albert Baer had not yet bought all of the other shares of Imperial stock from the Mirando's and other stockholders, and Schrade was still Schrade Cutlery Corporation, not Imperial Schrade.

The seller (or the previous owner if not the seller) put together the knife, sheath, box and papers to make this lone unboxed knife complete and appear to be NIB, but failed to do their homework. To the wary collector, it is like a '67 corvette with '75 Impalla wheels, a '69 corvair engine, and an interior from a late model Chevette.

Now. there is nothing wrong with buying the subject knife, just don't pay the MIB price for it, and toss the unassociated bits into a box to match up with the correct knives.

Codger

This is the correct boxed knife.
 
If funny you should start this post, as I may have a problem with the 507SCE I bought.
The auction said a 507SCE, but upon receiving it, one end of the box says 507SCE Red Deer lockback. The other end has a sticker over the orginial bar code that says Schrade Cheeta SC507SCC. The blade is stamped 507SC. So now we have SCE, SCC and SC. It also has the Cutler sheath as pictured in top pic.
Paper work is the long fold out, with knife care tips and pledge and knife info.
I'm not sure, but something doesn't seem to fit, unless Schrade just used whatever they had to fill orders for the European market.
I paid $38 with shipping. Any thoughts on just being happy with it for that price, or returning it?
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That should be the correct sheath.

It was not uncommon for them to apply pressure sensitive "over-stickers" on the ends of boxes for SFO's. Perhaps one came off.

As far as I know, special tang stamps adding an "E" were not always, if ever used.

I cannot see the paper included with your knife, so I can't speculate there. At any rate, even if the paper is not consistant with the box's circa 1991 date, you got a decent deal on the knife alone. The rest is just gravy.

IMHO, the knife alone would not have been worth $125 to me. I passed on bidding on that knife when I saw your bid. I'd be happy enough if I were you, but I'd keep my eyes open for more knives of that ilk to confirm that what I had was a legit assemblage.

Michael
 


Disregard the wrong stamp on the white slipcover. These knives were not trashed on new year's eve, but shipped until the orders were filled or the stock ran out.

So...let's say you got a nice knife with correct sheath and a fairly rare though non-matching box. Wann send that box to the old Codger?

Michael
 
I passed on bidding on that knife when I saw your bid.

Michael

Anytime you feel like bidding on something that I'm bidding on, feel free to do so. Sometimes I bid on something, just because it's going cheap, and no one else has bid on it, not because I really need it. There's plenty of knives to buy if the bidding goes over my budget.
 
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