Tomahawk, Knives and a Spear.

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Here's a picture of a few of the blades I have lying around the place:
UsefulBlades.jpg

I made the tomahawk from a bit of an old cold chisel. The forge was just a shallow hole in the ground and the fuel was charcoal. The eye is plenty big enough in diameter, but I wish that I had managed to make it a bit taller to have a greater contact area for the handle. Nevertheless it works well enough and it has been quite a handy tool to take on a trapping or hunting expedition. I am glad that I left a small "hammer" on the back of this 'hawk...I can especially recommend having one.

The folding knife didn't cost much. We don't seem to have such a wide range of knives available in New Zealand like you fellas have in America. I came across CKB Products site on the internet where these knives were advertised for about US$1.37 each. I just had to buy some so I ordered a goodly number and paid by credit card. I don't regret buying them. I've lost a few knives in my time and I figure it is good to be able to buy maybe 20 of these for the price of a folder that has an upmarket name. Not that I am putting down the big brand name folders... but I don't reckon that they are 20 times more useful than one of these "cheapies". I have had this knife for probably a year or so now and I am not disappointed. The blade pivot screw did tend to come loose, but I fixed that with a dob of epoxy on the thread. The edge-holding ability doesn't seem to be as good as some of my knives, but it stays sharp long enough for most things that I do. I use it alot when setting possum traps... I have to cut through the NZ flax leaves that I use to tie some parts of the trap in place, I whittle a few sticks and I cut some vegetation away from the trap area. The day after setting I check my traps and use the knife to cut away the flax holding parts of it in place and then I might use it to skin a few possums.

A while back I omitted to tie part of my trap into position and the possum dragged the pole it was tied to up a tree. I did not have a rifle with me. I tied my folder to a stick and speared the possum up under the ribs, and I am pleased that it died quickly. I then easily cut through the cord that had everything tethered up the tree and the whole lot fell to the ground. This knife stayed in position on the end of my spear shaft quite well because it has a pocket clip that helped prevent it get pushed away under the hastily tied lashing.

The knife with the antler handle was one I made from a saw blade about sixteen years ago. It is a good knife. I wish I could tell you the story behind the deer antler, but to be honest I cant be sure who shot the deer or whether it was just a cast antler that somebody found. I'm fairly certain it is red deer antler though.

The knife on the stick is my modified Cold Steel Bushman. When the blade was full length I used the same knife and handle to kill a big boar I caught in a snare. But after a while I decided to shorten the knife to make it more manageable. It now fits in the sheath better and is still plenty long enough to be a spear. I guess I should have ordered the mini Bushman. Instead of using a screw or nail to hold the knife in place, I drilled a hole for a cord at the front end of the handle (using a specially sharpened tungsten-tipped masonry drill). When the knife comes off the handle all you see is a walking stick with a slightly tapered end that has a bit of cord wrapped around it. It is quite a quick process to tie the knife in place to make a very formidable spear.

Below the spear is a full-sized Cold Steel Bushman. I bought these from the USA over the internet.

The knife at the bottom came to me from the maker, Ed Shaw. Ed is a a buddy of mine and a very clever craftsman who has recently started to make a few knives. The handle is walnut, the wooden sheath is kahikatea or NZ white pine. The steel came from a special saw blade that Ed has had considerable success with.

Ed hasn't got a computer. He lives in a relatively isolated community on a small farmlet. Do you folks reckon that there might be a market for a few of his knives in the USA and elsewhere?

Best wishes.... Coote.
 
Coote , you are pretty good your ownself . It doen,t matter where that antler came from . Does that bushman knife that works as a spear have a hollow handle ? Dumb question I know . I just want to be sure .

Its your buddy that made the Skean Dhub ? They are getting to be more and more popular . I have one a buddy of mine made . No adornment except for some jimping . Its slim and light . Just right for a boot knife or a traditional pair of Scottish socks . Do you have a link for your cheapo knife ? I might grab a couple myself .
 
Yep, my buddy made the knife and Och aye, it is a Skean Dhub .... or at least that is what Ed called it.

I like this simple design myself. A nice waist in the handle to enhance the grip as well as providing some pleasing curves. No guard to get in the way when you have work to do. And although it only has one cutting edge, the blade has a nice symmetrical shape. In a way this knife is too nice to take out into the scrub with me, but I figure I may as well enjoy it. So I might knock up a sheath out of goat or pig rawhide so I can carry it on my belt.

Yes... the Bushman handle is hollow. The whole thing is made from one sheet of steel, with the handle portion being wider so that it makes a tapered hollow cylinder when rolled. The edges of the cylinder aren't welded together...but this doesn't matter because the metal is so tough and springy it doesn't open up readily. In fact having an open joint helps to make the knife grip on the tapered stick.... the cylinder is forced open a tad as you drive the knife on and it grips the wood. The white cord is permanently attached to this Bushman... I just tuck it inside the handle when I sheath the knife.

The name of the company that sells those cheap folders is CKB Products. I looked them up to find the link for you and dangnabit I see now that if you buy 12 or more of these knives they only cost you US$0.79 each!!!!! Dang.

I like these folders but I want to make it clear that if I had to choose only one knife forever to be the only knife I carried this wouldn't be the one. But having a few of them around is a heck of a good thing. As it is with ammunition and arrows, it is a nice warm feeling having a good supply stashed away. I've given a few away too.

Heres the actual knife as shown on the CKB Products site:

http://www.ckbproducts.com/product_info.php/products_id/1216

The stock number of the knife is SKU7473H. They have so many different types of knives it is hard to find the one you are after.

I also got a jar of 144 keychain knives from these guys. The knives are tiny lockbacks with a partially serrated blade. I don't go for serrations normally, but at the price I got them for I decided to put up with the serrations. At the time I was in real estate and I thought they'd make good gifts for clients... I could give them their house keys with a wee knife attached. But after a while I decided that the industry wasn't my scene so I departed with a near-full jar of knives. The grind on the blade is certainly not what I would recommend, but they do a job. Actually my mother managed to slash her finger quite well with one of these virtually straight out of the jar.

Heres the main page for CKB Products:

http://www.ckbproducts.com/
 
coote how did you make the eye on that hawk? and what did ou use to put an edge on it?
 
Coote I am afraid My Skean Dhub is a keeper . At least it won,t be used for work . As far as cheapo knives are concened ? I keep one in a pocket that keeps my main knifes blade from getting dull through every day work . Its also my loaner in that if someone wants to borrow a knife that is the one they get . Thanks for the link . I had found the company but couldn,t home in on that knife .
 
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=408734

This gentleman makes some knives as well . I hesitated over showing a knife link on your thread . When people show me Skean Dhubs I just lose it . Mine is number twelve thats in the second picture post . Not as ornate as yours . Slim , very slim blackwood handle . Smooth and yet as you say that inside shoulder gives plenty of grip . It is very light and slim so as to loan itself to tucking in anywhere . I also like the thistle design which is a more ornate shape . The maker prefers knives that are "Very Stabby" L:O:L
 
Kevin... I couldn't see the pictures in the second posting...all that appeared were big red Xs. Never mind. I liked what I saw though. And I have to say that the skean dhub shape is pretty much a favourite of mine even though I haven't really been aware of the actual name until fairly recently. Yeah... those knives are a bit "stabby".... and probably most of them are a bit long for me, but they are attractive nevertheless.

Couldn't home in on the actual knife eh? You could go to their main page, then go through the steps to select lock back knives... then either go through the whole lot of them, or try typing SKU 7473H into the search box.

I'm with you on the lending the cheapo instead of the favourite. I don't like handing my best blades to people who may not know how to take care of them. Have you been amazed at the number of folks that don't know how to close a lockback?

AJCZ..... getting the eye in the billet of steel is the trickiest part of the operation. Here is a list of steps that I think I would have taken at the time:

-Get steel to maximum forging temperature
-Lay on anvil and drive a sharp tapered drift through the steel to start the eye. This drift was probably more of a wedge shape rather than a conical shape. And the process probably took at least two heatings in the forge, and the final part of this drifting has to be done over a hole in the anvil to allow the drift to pass through
-Open the eye with a larger tapered cylindrical drift until it is nearly big enough, remembering to keep the larger side of the hole to the top of the intended blade.
-Before finishing the eye to the perfect size, work on the sharp end of the blade.
-When the whole head is about right, reheat the eye end and finish it to size with the tapered drift.

The problem with making the eye is that it also tends to squash the billet of steel thinner than you want. So it might be best to start off with a billet that is upset to form a big knob of steel on the eye end.

The blade was largely shaped and sharpened just by forging it flat. I then would have finished it with a bench grinder, file, and hone stone.

I have seen some excellent information on the net regarding the making of tomahawks and axes. There was a tutorial on one blacksmithing site with a title of something like "making a railroad spike tomahawk". If I come across it again, I will try to post the address.

I was pretty delighted to make my first successful hawk. Like I said earlier the forge was a simple hole in the ground. For a blower I had a simple arrangement involving a bit of pipe into which I thrust a wooden plunger up and down. I made four tomahawks and gave a couple to some friends living in a remote area. We now have clean air rules in my suburb that could make it difficult to legally light fires in the open, and this has helped dissuade me from getting my forge going again. But I still have my tongs etc, and I might play around again. I could use gas, or just make sure that my charcoal fire doesn't generate visible smoke when I light it up. Or I could just go outside the city boundaries and set up my stuff.

Catch you later... Coote.
 
Yup, I liked the Skean Dhub too. Now I've got one from Ed Shaw coming too;)
 
I spoke to Ed Shaw this afternoon. He said that your skean dhub (Mp510) is the first one to go to the United States of America. This will be the fourth knife of any sort that Ed has sent to America.
 
Coote, I love that tomahawk and the antler handled knife. Nice work!
I also pick up cheap folders like that for my tool box, glove compartment, or my wife's purse.
I like the skean dubh but already have one similar, of about equal quality.
What I like about your posts is that you talk about how you actually use knives in the bush.
 
Thanks Coldwood.

A buddy of mine is a possum fur buyer and a trapper. He also helps trappers get the supplies they need. I gave him one of those cheap folders.... and now he wants more!! He reckons they are a good shape for possum skinning, and he is happy with their edge holding ability. This guy has been working with knives for decades.... so it is interesting to hear his response.

(When you skin a possum, a knife is generally used only to make a couple of opening cuts .... the rest is done by hand. So the slope at the end of the blade on the cheap folder makes it pretty ideal for the job).

I checked the latest price for these folders, and CKB Products sell them for only $0.79 if you buy 12 or more!!!!!! Dang that is what I call good value. Unfortunately our exchange rate and the shipping costs add quite a bit of money to the cost, but they are still cheap knives.

I bought a lot of them initially, but have only used one for about a year. The only problem I had was that the pivot screw kept coming loose... but I fixed that with some expoxy glue. Otherwise it is still going strong.
 
Coote, that is good value. I have three friends up here in northern New York who are, or have been, trappers. One put himself through college that way - one bought his wife's wedding ring that way - only one is still doing (he's not married). They were getting fox, racoon, muskrat, beaver, martin, weasels, frog skins, god knows what. Apparently, trapping up here isn't what it used to be. But all three are excellent woodsmen and I enjoy going out with them for a hike, to see the things that they see. Thanks.
 
I had planned to buy myself a brand-new Ruger 10-.22 with my possum fur money when I started to seriously trap last season. But I have changed my mind now, and the money just goes into the general living fund seeing I don't have any other work right now...and because I now have a Gervarm (Gevarm ??) semi auto .22 instead (I really like these...they seem to be very rugged and reliable and they seem to cope with any sort of ammo).

It is great being out and about while trapping. There are all sorts of things to see and enjoy that you wouldn't be aware of if you stayed home instead. Plus all the free meat has meant a heck of a saving on the supermarket bill.
 
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