Top 10 things to tell 9yr old scouts.

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Today is my long awaited "intro to knives" to these kids. What do you think the most important things are to cover. Here's what I plan to do:
Safety: A tool not a toy.
Don't walk around with it.

How and why to sharpen.
Cleaning and care.

Thought I'd bring some pencils for them to sharpen. Might take a few chucks of wood.
Soap? Open to any idea.
 
Some standard boy scout things:
"Blood Circle"
carve away from oneself
fold a folder/sheath a fixed before moving


Some drills/activities you can do
"Fuzz sticks"
Tent stake (Notch one end, point the other)
Round/blunt a stick
Marshmallow sticks (Remove bark & sharpen)

Other things to tell 9yr old scouts:
Don't pee on currant bushes. The big ones get up to 240 volts
Cows sleep standing up, and it takes them a few minutes to actually wake up if you push one over
Tying your tentflaps with a sqaure knot will keep the skunks out, but they can untie grannies.

Not that I ever would have told any scout those things...


Stryver, who spent over 9 years at a camp...
 
The "Blood Circle" practice is also a very effective offensive maneuver against unsuspecting fellow scouts...
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Seriously though, the first thing to teach young people, is to respect knives. They can help you if you respect them and hurt you if you don't.

Next, they must be taught that a knife is, above all, a tool-to be used for utilitarian purposes.

Plus: Sharp edges are much safer than dull ones. Always keep a knife clean and/or oiled to make sure the knife will operate properly and not rust. Never run while holding a opened folding knife(or straight blade, for that matter). I believe walking with an opened knife is acceptable, but should not become a common practice. NEVER THROW A KNIFE

I don't see anything wrong with cutting towards yourself, as long as your thumb acts as a stop. Very rarely will the thumb be cut, as long as the blade isn't slashed across it.




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Always treat a folding knife like a folder, never completely trust the lock.
Also never trust a square knot to hold, they will slip. It should never be used as a bend.
 
all of what was said was great so far. i might add that carving soap is a great idea. it teaches alot about the use of knives. cut in too deep and the whole bar splits in half. it'll teach them how to take things a piece at a time and not to use too much force, because when you do, something is going to get cut!! hopefully it's just a tabletop or air, but other objects can get in the way.

on a lighter note, how many of us here on bladeforums wouldn't get our "totin chip" card now? i cut towards myself all the time, so i know i would fail.
 
These kids are very wild, I think just sitting at the table will be a challenge.
Now, how many bandaids should I bring again. Should be a fun time, some parents never let their children be exposed to guns or knives. It's always nice to open the eyes and ears of people, young and old.
 
Clocker, I would get a permission slip signed by each kids parent(s). Just to make sure you don't have some sheeple parents. We lost an excellent Scout Master because of a (one) sheeple parent when he taught a knife safty course to the kids and did not have signed permission slips. Also tell the kids never to wipe with three leafed plants.
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Don
 
I think there have been some really good comments. Soap carving works well and we've used it. A woodcarver my son met recommended using sweet potatos because when they dry they shrivel up and make strange shapes that really appeal to kids (of all ages). Cutting fruits & vegetables on a camping trip is good practice. I strongly advise against the "Here son, watch this. See all the blood? Whatever you do, don't copy what Dad just did" approach. While highly instructive, kids really don't need the extra language lesson.
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Check out the wood carving merit badge book and also the book on wood carving by Tangerman (I think that's his name).
 
Clocker, you might want to tell them about the origin of knives as early mans first real useful tool. Maybe even download and print some pics of flint knives and scrapers. Let them know they're holding an important part of history in their hands, not just a simple knife...IN OTHER WORDS, GET THE KNIFE KNUT BUG PLANTED!!

Jake
 
I've been in scouts forever (it seems). I am currently working on my Eagle Scout project, so i have to manage kids a lot.

Both of my grandfathers were Silver Beavers (if you know what that means), so it kind of runs in the blood. WARNING: my grandfather was showing a group of scouts how nor to use a knife (cutting towards himself) and slashed open his palm. He bled like crazy and had to get 20 stitches.

Also, I think it is against scout regulations to have non-kitchen fixed blades, but that doesn't stop myself and the older boys from taking Bushmans on canoeing trips undert he guise of "filet knives".
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Just remember: little kids have to be told a lot of things that we take for granted as common knowledge. Make sure that they know the rules before they pick up a knife (or saw or axe or .22 for that matter).

 
Stompy:
I routinely whittle with a blade facing me, but I would not tell a scout just learning that a knife can cut things that doing so is a good thing. It is a skill that must be learned, and would be a good thing to teach in the Woodcarving merit badge, as opposed to basic safety.

I do remember an old scout chaplain who was whittling, with a borrowed knife, when he slipped, and jabbed it into his chest. He calmly wiped the blade off, closed it, and handed it to the man he had borrowed it from, and then asked his neighbor where the camp medic was, because he had cut himself. The neighbor was the camp medic, and after some hee-hawing, the chaplain stepped out of the circle of people, and, quite embarrassed, showed the medic about a 3/4" cut on his chest. The doc decided it needed stitches, and began the process (Namely a 45 minute drive) of getting him into town for stitches. About halfway into town, the rest of the story came out. Turns out the chaplain had done much more than cut himself, the two-and-some-odd inch blade had been stuck most of the way into the guys chest. The medics foot became mysteriously heavier, and his heart picked up the pace a wee bit.

Fortunately, the guy was lucky. He was more than a bit overweight, and had plenty of stored energy cushioning a major artery from the steel intrusion. Just enough to spare nicking said artery. He survived, with a miniscule scar, doing something and old chaplain, and the fantastic wood carver he was, thought of as normal.

It's a skill, and even then, is not a skill to be taught or shown lightly. Definately not something you want to teach a group of 9 year olds. Something I may show a particularly adept individual, with the admonition that it is a very easy way to cut oneself, and maybe even show off a scar or two on my hands. Goodness knows I have enough.


Stryver
 
The most important lesson to learn about knives: buy low... sell high!



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Stiletto Raggio, you hit upon a very significant urban legend. It is widely thought that the Boy Scouts of America prohibit fixed blade knives. This is not so! I have, on two occasions, asked our local scout executives to quote me chapter and verse, including any adendums or letters concerning the same. Upon searching their policy manuals, all they come up with is a single line about scouts not needing large fixed blade knives. They are "not" prohibited. Occasionally, you will find a well-meaning camp director or scoutmaster who says they are because he says they are. But they can never find it in writing.

Recently I received an application for our local "Klondike Derby" (winter campout) from our district. It stated each boy was required to bring a "Boy Scout approved" pocket knife. I immediately called the district executive and asked what that was. He said, "a three inch, or less, folding blade." I told him the only BSA approval he could find was his own ideas about knives. He agreed and asked me to keep this our little secret. I told him I would ensure our scouts had a folding knife for the training but would not turn a scout away for blade length. He agreed. Since I sponsor a troop, and the council is always after money, I don't take much guff off of them.

My point is that I think boys should be taught correct principles in all aspects of scouting, and this includes knives. I would disuade scouts from bring large Bowie's to scout camp because they generally don't need them. I am not a lawless soul, but I will not honor a law that does not exist!

Bruce Woodbury
 
Well I'm an Eagle Scout (scary isn't it)
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well after getting the parrent's trust, I would teach them on proper knife matainance (sharpening, cleaning lubricating) Cutting, (carving wood plastics, soft objects and food)

then first aid if something goes wrong

No I don't have my totenchip I lost that a long time ago, also I should teach them knife quality

and then teach them on how to make a knife, but most importantly they will learn TRUST


Hopefully I made sence, because most of the time I don't
 
I do not know how or why it is at other camps, but the one I spent many summers at, about an hour south and east of Denver, CO, did not allow fixed blades primarily because of laws in nearby cities. I don't know of any scout or staffer ever being sent home or not allowed to come for having a large or FB knife, but it was made clear that they weren't allowed. We also didn't allow radios, walkmans, electronic games, and various other odd and assorted things.

In a fixed encampment where axes, hatchets and saws are readily available, I see no real need for large fixed blades. With small ones, we can argue FB vs Folder all day, but when it comes down to young scouts, I see nothing you can do with a FB that cannot be accompished with a folder, axe, hatchet and saw.

Stryver
 
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