TOPS any good?

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they look cool but how do they rate compared to newt livesays products or even Swamprats.

as far as use goes: I´m ur average martial artist and urban dweller going out of harms way.

Matthias
 
Originally posted by Matt Seling
they look cool but how do they rate compared to newt livesays products or even Swamprats.

as far as use goes: I´m ur average martial artist and urban dweller going out of harms way.

Matthias

ive own both tops and livesay knives. ive feald tested both knives. i would compair them tha same.

Dingo234
 
Matt:
The Tops line of knives are hand made. Each knife is actually ground by hand. It is a close to a custom as most will get. They were designde with performance not style, in mind. The only way to actually see is to purchase one. You won't be disappointed.
 
Tops makes great knives. I own a number of their fixed blades and a Magnum folder. You will not be disappointed. I find a few of their smaller fixed baldes to be slightly overpriced. But other than that, their knives are great.
 
Stout knives. Good performance. Certainly not custom made, but they are hand made. Good looking if you want a manly heavy knife that will intimidate. Too expensive for the type of steel and level of finish. A true custom in better steel is not much more. They're the rage with a particular type of tatical guy or team.
 
With wide range of knife styles made by TOPS , you really need narrow the scope of your questions a little. They make speciality knives which really can not compare to anything Newt Livesay makes.

In general, I find TOPS knives overbuilt for my average needs. By this, I mean thich edges meant for abuse, saber grinds that make a better knife for prying and similar abuse. As far as materials and quality of construction go, they are a good value for what you get.

Newt Livesay and Wicked Knife Company make a very good knives. I have an Air Assault, Recon Combat Machete and, RTAK (which I like better then the Ontario clone :) ). They cut very well and are built right. I don't find them, in general, as massively overbuilt as the TOPS knives. The grips on the knives are very well thought out. After using the Air Assualt a lot, I have found the grip shape to be one of the most comfortable I have used. At $150(US) average price, there is a lot of value here. Not nearly as expensive as a true custom knife but, 90% of the performance. Yes, I know Newt mainly uses 1095 but, his heat treat and cryo make for an excellant everyday using blade without the expense of the CPM steels.

Something else that should be mentioned is customer serviced. All my dealings with Mike and Helen Fuller (TOPS) have been top notch - they are a class act all the way. Newt Livesay has a checkered history regarding customer service at large, some folks are very happy and, some feel they were cheated in their dealings with Newt.

For my money and needs, I would watch the for sale forums here and at Knifeforums and buy a gently used Livesay knife at retail ($150US) or less. That's how I bought all 3 of my knives and I am very pleased overall.
 
I've owned a TOPS Magnum which was wayyyy overbuilt for just about anything I'd ever do with a folder. Now I currently own an Anaconda and a Sea Wolff and they are both outstanding knives. Whats especially nice about the Sea Wolff is that it is a perfect boot knife. It has a real slim profile and the stock sheath is perfect for clipping onto my boot.
 
But is $150 or more worth it for a factory knife in 1095 steel and industrial Micarta? At that price point you get VG10 out of Spyderco and Fallkniven. SOG will give you BG42. For $50-$100 more you can get a custom in the same steel. For a hard use knife, particularly for the true tactical guy, you want a little corrosion protection. Yes TOPs are coated, but not at the edge. You can go Ontario in 1095 for about $100 less.
 
Newt Livesay has a checkered history regarding customer service at large, some folks are very happy and, some feel they were cheated in their dealings with Newt.

Count me in that latter group. If Livesay knives were the only ones for sale, I would learn how to make my own.
 
Ever since I saw one of the TOPS CQT MAGNUM folders in Blade magazine last year I could'nt wait to get one. Just this past summer I finally decided to save up my money and buy one. After scrounging around, because I still bought another knife even though I was trying to save up (20% off, how can you say no?), I finally had enough money to buy the TOPS. My dad and I drove down to the office an hour and a half from our house where my tops was waiting to be opened by me for final say so before I purchased it. I got there, took the knife out of the sheeth, and opened it. I was sorly dissappointed. The knife, for starters, looked nothing like they made it appear in the magazines. The handle was FAT and the blade to short and fat. The liner lock was simply screwed into the side. The knife did feel solid, but it didn't even fit in the hand good. I tried out a few more knives and ended up getting the MOD MKII and plan to get the MKI, which is as big as the TOPS only nicer. I like TOPS fixed blades, but the Magnum folders seem to need a little more fine tuning in appearance.


kershaw72787
 
The non-Americanised Tanto blades look good and they use differential heat tempering as far as I know, which is cool.

However, they seem very expensive for plain Jane 1095 carbon steel?

Not that I don't like this steel (I own several blades in this and love the steel) its just for this money I would expect something a little more high tech (3V or S30V for example!)
 
I took a look at their line and I think I will have to pick one up myself. Does anyone know what the turnaround time is for placing an order on their site?? Also, how is their customer service? Thanks
 
A free sharpening service is offered by the manufacturer which includes the blade edge, serrations and chain saw teeth. Should the working surface of your knife become marred or scored from heavy usage we will refinish it for you at no charge

WOW, a free refinishing is a great offer.
 
Hello TheBadGuy,

I ordered a TOPS Street Scapel earlier this year. I think it took about two or three weeks to reach me. The TOPS people said it took longer because I ordered around Father's Day and they were backed up.

I guess the knife is well made but it has no guard, so it is a knife one has to be especially careful with.
 
Do not send email if you expect a fast turn around from TOPS! The web site is maintained by a third party, not by Mike and Helen (at least last time I checked). Call them on the phone and you will get first class service from two of the nicest people you could deal with.

As far as quality of grinds, edges, etc. go, you get what you pay for. While I have not recently used any of their current production knives, the ones I saw at Blade West were solid knives. In the past, they had some volatility in who ground their knives out (as you would expect from any company starting from scratch). Now, they have full time guys who do nothing but, grind the knives out. Consistency and quality are all there.

In a post up above, bemoaning the ~$150 and up price for good old 1095 knife, brings up a point that may or may not be valid. In today's hype by amateur metallurgist, people tend to get lost in what they are looking for. Do I need a steel that I can sharpen myself? Do I need a steel that I can restore to a serviceable edge with a flat river stone? Do I need a steel that I can spark to start a fire? Do I need rust resistance? Do I really need an edge that needs maintenance only once a year?

A knife must be constructed properly first – above all else. Length, thickness, grinds, etc. are the key things here - not the steel type in and of itself. Yes, with a new Super Steel, I may be able to use thinner stock, finer edges, etc. but, that may not be a requirement for the knife in question. An overbuilt knive does not require leading edge expensive steels to perform the role it was built for. Find the knife you need firt, then an select an appropriate steel, sheath, and other material for its construction.

I personally have owned knives that were properly heat treated and poorly heat treated. I have ATS-34 that was brittle and rusted (in non-abusive use). I have also had ATS-34 that showed none of these deficiencies.

I have fixed blades in ATS-34, D2, BG-42, CPM 3V and, a few other steels. I recently relearned the value of a custom made knife in good old carbon steel (1095 and 52100). Both knives are easy to maintain, get sharp with average sharpening abilities and, have performed very well.

1095 is appropriate for many users and their needs.

Also, a picture of a knife can be very miss leading. I really do not like buying a knife without holding it first for that reason. Sure, if I can get it cheap enough, I'll buy it, try out and, resell it if I don't like it. With an expensive knife, I really need to hold it or a similar knife in my hand first or, I will rely on people whom I trust to provide a meaningful review or discussion of the knife in question. That's how I purchased my first Newt Livesay knife and a knife from this unknown (at least back then) maker who made the TTKK's (Trace Rinaldi) - Thanks Joe!
 
I would have to agree with Mr. Post about 1095 being appropriate for many users. I think simple steels that are easy to sharpen are especially appropriate for survival knives. Rust resistance would be nice to have also, but not if the steel is hard to sharpen.

Just remember, Jim Bowie and Tarzan got along just fine without high end steel.
 
Sure 1095 can be great, but for >$150 you can get an individually made knife in that steel from a relatively good maker. For only about $50 more you can get a differentially heat treated 1095 custom. If carbon steel floats your boat, try Swamp Rats for a factory knife at the same price point, and it's differentially heat treated.

Sure we're all just out ridin our horses, sharpenin our blades on rocks, and startin fires with sparks. Don't forget, TOPS markest heavily not to the cowboy but to the tactical dude, who goes home after his shift or has at least 10 support people behind his front line position. They've got sharpeners, lighters and Hummers. They also forget to sharpen between jobs, clean off the gunk from their blades and re-oil, because they're busy people.
 
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The art of sarcasm is very obviously dying. At one time people of at least moderate intelligence could hear or read a sarcastic remark and at least chuckle in appreciation of the wit being displayed. But, alas, people now think that any comment that slams, derides, belittles, or shows a disrespect for another, no matter how illogical, intolerant or ignorant/stupid is an example of witty reparte. So,in order to keep this at the current level of "sarcasm," as a satisfied TOPS owner who does clean and sharpen his knives, does not own a hummer and uses matches to light his cigerettes, PHTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!
 
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