Two ladies an old man & three khukuris.

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We went to a Sweat Ceremony last night and got there early to help Kathie clean up some wood that had been cut down while clearing some land.
The chain saw was too dull too cut anymore wood with and I could see the disappiontment in Kathies face.
Most of the wood was green `blackjack oak', the one that draws sand up into the wood.
I had taken along my 18"AK the Baby GRS and of course my YCS as I was planning on doing a comparison test with them.
I didn't get too test much because I had all the khukuris taken away from me except the YCS.
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I did start with the Baby GRS and when Barb saw how effective I was being with it she said let me try so I let her use it.
I then got out the 18" AK and started chopping more limbs off and I was sorta disappointed with its efficiency compared to the lighter, 1/4 Lb, Baby GRS and about that time Kathie wanted to try so I let her use the 18" AK, after a brief lesson in showing her to keep bodily parts away from the direction of cut.
Then I got the YCS out.
It cut better than the 18" AK as well due to its thinner edge and faster speed but not quite as well as the Baby GRS.
__But I'm reserveing judgement__ until a fairer test can be done since I only got to compare the Baby GRS and 18" AK a short time.
The Baby GRS was taking limbs off up to 1 1/2" in dia. with no trouble at all with one quick swing.
Due to its thicker edge the AK was taking two swings in the very springy wood. I believe it done better when chopping the 4"-5" diameters in two in Kathie's hand's.
Barb was mostly cutting limbs off with the Baby GRS and was having a great time.
I was also chopping the larger diameter trees in two with the YCS and was doing it more efficently than Kathie, but in order to be fair about that I am going to chalk it up to my greater strength and skill and not the differences in the two khukuris since this was the first time Kathie had used a khukuri.
We made short work of the half dozen or so trees and when we were done Kathie looked admiringly at the AK and said, "I've got to get me one of these."
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I told Kathie that I would recommend the Baby GRS for her because most of what she does is the trimming of smaller limbs and such where the thinner edge would be more effective than the brute force of the AK.
Not much of a test really but we had fun and got the job done in short order and reived Kathie's mind about getting the mess cleaned up.

When I was wiping the blades down after use They all looked to be about the same sharpness.
None would even pull hair but that's common when cutting the blackjack oak.
However they were all still very much chopping sharp and up to several more hours work just the way they are.
I may leave them alone until the next time I get the chance to test the three of them again.
Barb and Kathie both had the starting of blisers but on different parts of their hand's. Barb's was near the edge of the palm where the butt cap was probably digging in a bit and Katies was in the center where the center ring can rub.
I chalk Barb's up to not choking up on the handle a bit and Kathie's to her small hands and not using a khukuri before.
The YCS was pretty much okay in mine, but needs the handle more egg shaped which I can do without removing to much material and ruining the inlays. The YCS's handle being a little to round was causeing me to hit wrong every now and then because it would shift in my hand.
Thattt'sss alll Ffffooolllkkkssss.
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Oh and the Sweat was great!!!!
Kathie actually ran me out twice, unusual.
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A lot of hot rocks and some cold water makes for a great deal of heat!!!!But the prayers were all good.


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"VEGETARIAN".............
Indin word for lousy hunter.
 
Cool! I've been so busy with my move to Windsor I havent had a chance to test any of my new blades. Hopefully soon, I'll let ya know!!

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Chris B.
 
I hope that the next time that I have to move it is into *MY* house. <<Fingerscrossed>>

In Boston, it has been said that you are either looking for a new job are a new place. I hate the looking as more than I hate the moving. At least with the moving there is the excitment of conquering a new space.

Yvsa--> Sounds like ya had a good time!
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I have said not to underestimate the BGRS! Let us know more after you do some more testing. I think Jim calls it.... research!
 
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Matt there is definitely more research needed!!! Now I am beginning to realize what Harry meant when he said....
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Of the regular HI line, it would be a tie between my plain YCS and baby GRS.</font>
...in the Favorite khukuri
thread.
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I was really impressed with the BGRS no longer than I got too use it.
But then I am pretty impressed with the YCS
too.
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And hopefully my plain one will be here today or tomorrow and I am sure hoping the kamis got it
right.
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Had to fix the quote...

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"VEGETARIAN".............
Indin word for lousy hunter.


[This message has been edited by Yvsa (edited 04-09-2001).]
 
Well both the YCS and the BGRS are really great tools. They are both in the same ballpark. (they are close to the same wieght and size) The YCS is definatly better looking. I really love the fullered blade. I put my YCS in my display cabinet, there it waits to be called into service. I can almost hear it call to me. It really does have a lot of spirit.

I hope to get out a lot this summer and run the daylights out of them both.
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Keep working on the 'research'
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To Yvsa and anyone who owns both an 18"AK & a BGRS (or) a 20"AK & a GRS:
Please explain the difference in the blades
of these two Khukuri mega-choppers. The length and weight is similar for both. The
blade shape/profile is visually different.
But with regards to the thickness of the blades, fullers, the way the edge is ground,
cutting/chopping characteristics, how the Khukuris feels/handles, etc...?
I'm getting that old 'maybe I should buy
one of those' kinda feelings again and just
looking for some input and views. Thanks
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Bill as you know I have both an 18" AK and a BGRS.
I think the best way to describe the difference is that the AK is a better splitter and the BGRS is a better chopper.
My AK has a decidedly thicker edge and a hell bent for stout blade.
The BGRS has a much thinner edge with a very substantial
blade.
With its thinner edge the BGRS works much better at limbing and felling, more what a nice thin axe
would be.
If I could only have one of these my choice now will be the BGRS for what I do.
For someone needing a heavier blade for splitting a lot of wood the AK will serve best.(along with a Super Salyan of course.
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HTH's.
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"VEGETARIAN".............
Indin word for lousy hunter.
 
So then the BGRS distributes it's weight
across a broader blader profile but with less thickness, whereas the 18"AK puts it's weight more into thickness? The AK has a fuller near
the shoulder/elbow of the blade, doesn't it? Is this present on the BGRS also?
Since they have similar sizes and weights,
do they feel/handle similarily in your hand
(not refering to chopping ability, more the
overall feel of the blade as it moves and
turns in the air with each slice/chop)? Thanks.
 
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Bill I don't know if I can explain the differences between the two knives.
To me a lot of it is based on `feel' but that doesn't explain the performance between the two
knives.
And I haven't had enough experience with the BGRS yet to really make a sound judgement between the BGRS and the 18" AK so don't take all of what I'm saying as the way things truly are. This is just sorta a wild a**ed guess at the moment with some of it based on what I have
experienced.
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My BGRS is a full 1 inch shorter and a full 1/4 Lb lighter than my 18" AK.
The blades are nearly the same width, both about 2 3/16" to
2 1/4" wide.
There is no fullers on the BGRS.
I am thinking that most of the differences has too do with blade geometry and that the 18" AK is a more modern style knife compared with the BGRS that takes a lot of its design from the khukuris of the past in that it is a forward curving knife.

To recap some old information there are three basic styles of
khukuris.IMO.
The modern khukuri with a measurable angle and a straight handle.
The older forward curving khukuri with no discernible angle and a straight handle.
And the full curving khukuri very much like the YCS that's curved from one end to the other.
I consider the YCS to be a fully curved knife but the old ones had more curve in the handle.

The 18th Century to an extent is also a forward curving knife.
I don't recall the models but in times past when H.I. made some very nice examples of forward curving knives some people didn't like their `feel' and the sweet spot seemed to be in a different place which, until one became used to the knife,
made chopping with them a bit more difficult.
I got my 18th Century to check this out and found that I really like the way it performs and I carried it for a while instead of my AK because of its lighter weight. And I had no difficulty with the sweet spot and the way it works.

I have wondered why the khukuri has developed its more angled shape over the years and I am leaning more and more to the fact that they are just easier to make than the older curved ones and especially in the case of the fully curved khukuri.
The fully curved knives have a very distinct curve in their handles which causes the hand to `lock' into the handle with a very secure grip but they are much more difficult to make.

Does this make the newer khukuris less effective? No.
They are just different and still good solid performers. I still have a great fondness for my 18" AK and for many jobs it will still
excel.
But there is a noticeable difference in the way the new ones and the older models work.
I have said the YCS works like a much heavier khukuri and now some others feel the same way. And the BGRS also works like a much heavier khukuri as well, IMO right now with no more experience than I have had with it.
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I really don't like to think of khukuris as weapons but if I had to make a judgement I would say the old style forward and fully curved khukuris fall more into the weapon category.
I think it would be really interesting to see a fully curved Sirupati style but I ain't gonna go there.
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So this is a mighty long answer and I don't know if it answers your questions fully or at all but it's the best I can do right now.
I sure hope it helps you and perhaps some others as well to understand what I feel are the major differences in the three styles of khukuris. And the BGRS and the 18" AK.
And remember this is based on my opinions and experience up untill now.
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&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;---Yvsa-G@WebTV.net----&gt;®

"VEGETARIAN".............
Indin word for lousy hunter.
 
Bill,

I put my comparison of the GRS and AK in another thread before I saw this one.

Yvsa,

Sounds like you had fun. Do women traditionally have "sweats"?


Women do not sweat they prespire (so I am told).

Will
 
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