Two new (old) knives

akadave2

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Just took posession of a couple of old Case knives. The larger pattern is a 1965-69 two blade (help me with the pattern) and the other is a 7 dot two blade Jack?

I also wanted to check if it is ok to clean the bolsters on the larger pattern or does that hurt the collectible nature of the knife. Both seem to not have ever been sharpened.

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Check the numbers on the back of the blades, then find the pattern that corresponds by looking here.

Oh yeah, congratulations on two beautiful knives!
 
The first knife, with both blades at the same end, looks like a 6235 ½ swell end jack knife.

Not sure of the other. Posting the closed length of each would help a lot.
 
Doug Add said:
Check the numbers on the back of the blades, then find the pattern that corresponds by looking here.

Oh yeah, congratulations on two beautiful knives!
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Thanks...looks like the small one is the #44 which is a Small Jack and the other is a 35 1/2 which is a Regular ( Swell End)Jack. That sucker has a very nice snap to it. My first two vintage purchases
 
A '44 pattern is ordinarily a square-bolstered frame (at various times, either a pen, jack or 3-blade stockman). The pen knife shown in your 2nd pic (w/blades at opposite ends) looks more similar to an 62087 pattern (serpentine frame w/rounded bolsters; configured as a pen, jack or 3-blade stockman at different times). What's the closed length of that one? The '087 is usually around 3-3/8" closed.

The pattern # should be on the back side of one of the blade tangs.
 
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Obsessed with Edges said:
A '44 pattern is ordinarily a square-bolstered frame (at various times, either a pen, jack or 3-blade stockman). The pen knife shown in your 2nd pic (w/blades at opposite ends) looks more similar to an 62087 pattern (serpentine frame w/rounded bolsters; configured as a pen, jack or 3-blade stockman at different times). What's the closed length of that one? The '087 is usually around 3-3/8" closed.

The pattern # should be on the back side of one of the blade tangs.
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Its 06244 3 3/8 inch closed

Its slim profile too. Nice little, snaps good
 
Doug Add said:
You know a whole lot more about knives and knife history than I do David, but Dave's pen looks a lot like this 44.
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I'm curious as to who/how that pic is identified as a '44 pattern (6244?). Unless the pattern # is visible in that pic, I'd bet it's mis-identified. The '44 has square bolsters.
 
Not trying to pick a fight, just going by the AAPK reference guide to Case pattern numbers on the 44.

"Another two-bladed version is a 3 1/4" pen style knife that is sometimes referred to as a half stockman. They generally have a clip master blade and a pen secondary blade that extend from opposite sides. This particular version will normally have a 0 preceding the pattern number. Case started making them sometime before 1940."

And Dave has told us that his is an 06244. He's got the knife in front of him. I'm just going by what is posted on a knife website. Which basically means I am clueless!
 
akadave2 said:
Its 06244 3 3/8 inch closed

Its slim profile too. Nice little, snaps good
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That's surprising (it's actually stamped as a '06244'?). I didn't know any of these were made as recently as 1973 (by the date stamp seen on yours). The reference pic from AAPK shows a '40-'64 era knife.

I'm looking at two guides (named below), and both show a square-bolstered frame at 3-1/4" for the 06244 pattern (in pen config), instead of a 3-3/8" round-bolstered frame.

References:
Pocket Knife Trader's Price Guide, Volume 8, by James Parker (2007), p. 206
Official Price Guide to Collector Knives, by C. Houston Price (2004), p. 205
 
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akadave2 said:
So this is an oddity?
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Maybe not. I'm seeing some like yours, stamped and listed on the 'auction site' as 06244 patterns, some in similar vintage ('70s era). If yours is stamped as such, I chalk it up as something new I've learned today. There's a distinction between length of each, though, with the 087 at 3-3/8", and the 06244 at 3-1/4". Seems like a small distinction in size, but Case has differentiated other patterns by as much before.

Sorry for the confusion.
 
Found an interesting description in a Google Books search. Linked to a page (154) in Steve Pfeiffer's book, 'Collecting Case Knives: Identification and Price Guide', which explains Case's use of the '44 pattern number with a round-bolstered frame that eventually became the '087' pattern (while the original square-bolstered frame remained as the '44):

http://books.google.com/books?id=f4...TKy6g&hl=en#v=onepage&q=case xx 06244&f=false
 
Dave, I've no input on what model they are or age but I will say that those are some snazzy looking knives. That swell end is a beauty. Good job.

Ben
 
Obsessed with Edges said:
References:
Pocket Knife Trader's Price Guide, Volume 8, by James Parker (2007), p. 206
Official Price Guide to Collector Knives, by C. Houston Price (2004), p. 205
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Obsessed with Edges said:
Found an interesting description in a Google Books search. Linked to a page (154) in Steve Pfeiffer's book, 'Collecting Case Knives: Identification and Price Guide', which explains Case's use of the '44 pattern number with a round-bolstered frame that eventually became the '087' pattern (while the original square-bolstered frame remained as the '44):

http://books.google.com/books?id=f4...TKy6g&hl=en#v=onepage&q=case xx 06244&f=false
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This is why I said "You know a whole lot more about knives and knife history than I do David." Thanks for digging in and sharing your command of the resources with us. Your knowledge and experience are treasures for the rest of us.
 
Doug Add said:
This is why I said "You know a whole lot more about knives and knife history than I do David." Thanks for digging in and sharing your command of the resources with us. Your knowledge and experience are treasures for the rest of us.
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You called it first, Doug. For that I thank you. I never would've considered there was another '44' out there. I jumped on that (incorrectly), because I have a more recent '44 pattern stockman, and have a little bit of curiosity for the pattern (in it's square-bolstered incarnation).

I love threads like this, because it does drive me to dig for more info, and I always learn something new. It's why I like this forum so much. :)
 
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