Tyrade or Zero T 302

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Beowulf1776

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On balance which knife stands out as the better of the 2 The Kershaw Tyrade or the ZT 302 Edc, would be the main purpose. Any thoughts would be appreciated on these knives
 
okayy!! does anyone even own a Kershaw Tyrade ?? My Kingdom for some feedback Tyrade vrs Zt 302. Not to throw a Tyrade here !:))
 
ZT302 - no question. One of the best Design and pretty practical knife.

Tyrade is more or less conceptual knife and this handle 3D CF inlay is really scratch my palm. Also composite blade is next step in right direction but this is just first step, I hope they choose better steel then CPM D2, which was choosen only because it is more contrast then other. I hope they will use CPM S90V or even CPM S125V otherwise I see not benefit in composite blade other then decorative.

Thanks, Vassili.
 
I own both and prefer the Tyrade. It's a better fit in my hand than the 302 and I like the assisted action better on the Tyrade also. The pocket clip is a little tight because of the odd overlay on it but it's still good to go.:thumbup:
 
I almost can not use mine because this inlay is so uncomfortable...

Thanks, Vassili.
 
Thank you Oilman and Vassillli. I truly appreciate your informative feedback.Okay, my impression was, the ASSISTED Actions where the same on both knives?

Please comment on D2 vrs the other steels you mentioned . Why would either be superior as an edge?
 
Beowulf1776 said:
Thank you Oilman and Vassillli. I truly appreciate your informative feedback.Okay, my impression was, the ASSISTED Actions where the same on both knives?

Please comment on D2 vrs the other steels you mentioned . Why would either be superior as an edge?
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Both knives has same Safe Speed - I am not sensitive to the extent I can feel difference. D2 is very old tool steel, cheap replacement for expensive high speed steels as I heart introduced for this reason in WWII era or something. Recently Crucible tryed to use PM to make CPM version of it, without too much improvement really. Most manufacturers use it because it is very cheap in comparison to top modern steels - it is not too much worse then modern steel but waaaay cheaper. Kershaw to my knowledge use for different reason - to highlight their new compsite blade technology - D2 is darker and makes blade pattern more contrast.

CPM S30V not being best what Crucible has, anyway outperform most other steel and of course good old D2.

Tyrade for me more like first composite blad knife and has collectable value, while ZT302 was my EDC for more then a year (until I got Yuna Hard this Febrary).

Thanks, Vassili.
 
I have a couple of Tyrades and prefer it over the 301 that I had, for a few reasons. I like the fact that both handles are constructed of titanium instead of the titanium/G-10 construction method. The second reason is that I was able to get a foldover clip made for the Tyrade and not the ZT, and while that may not seem like much, I prefer to have my knife completely hidden in my pocket if at all possible. With the narrow spacing of the 0301's current pocket clip screws it would be difficult to make a foldover deep carry clip to fit it. I also liked the thinness of the Tyrade as it doesn't print, but the 0301 was also fairly thin, just wide from the top of the blade to the bottom of the handle. Of course I am currently pocket carrying a Strider AR so I don't really know how much of a factor the thinness really is. The thing I really liked better for the 0301 was the grip as it is more hand filling than the Tyrade. In fact I would rather the Tyrade do away with the cf inserts and just put full handle overlays on it. Lastly, there is the blade of the Tyrade and the composition blade. I don't really know that I will ever put the blade to the test, not with my regular every day uses of a knife, but it is kinda neat and is an attention getter.
 
I have another look at Tyrade and found it less irritative then first time I look at it. After removing clip I should say that this CF inlay does not really bother me too match. In most grips it did not really stay at the point where most pressure applied to the palm.

I resharpen it, removing S-curve and it responds pretty well - it makes long curving shave out of my hair and I was able to do this on same place twice.

I think my first impression was affected with the too big expectations I had initially. I think both knives are equally good.

Thanks, Vassili.
 
nozh2002 said:
otherwise I see not benefit in composite blade other then decorative.

Thanks, Vassili.
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Composite blades are basically San Mai type blades in that a Harder Steel is welded to a softer spine to get the best worlds of edge holding and flexibility
 
I've got a 302 and can't say enough good things about it. It is very well built and the ergonomics are second to none, but it does print-it's a big chunk o' knife!
 
Steinerj said:
Composite blades are basically San Mai type blades in that a Harder Steel is welded to a softer spine to get the best worlds of edge holding and flexibility
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San Mai is wrong term introduced by Cold Steel, as I understand, for laminated blades or (waricomi or clay). However, Tyrade blade is not laminated where we have layer (or layers) of soft steel and layer of hard steel but composite instead - combined or glued together by copper. This is new technology, while laminated blades are almost standard for Japanese knives and Scandinavian.

Thanks, Vassili.
 
VOTE for 302. I'm using it and it's awesome. it cuts very well and looks very cool. the price is acceptale
 
I have owned both and preferred the Tyrade but only after converting it to tip up carry. Once I did that, I found it both more practical, and easier to justify in the city to carry for a couple of reasons over the 301 or 302 folder. But looking at the factory knives I see it like this.

The Tyrade:
1 its heavy at 6.5 ounces in weight.
2 its slim for a big knife but the stock clip and CF insert catch the pocket on slide in and out.
3 its not so wide as to cause you to have to pull the knife out of your pocket just to get something deeper down inside your pocket like your car keys. So, although big, its footprint is tolerable.
4 its tank built but the draw back for some is the clip. One way carry for tip down only and the snagging at the one point where the rim of the pocket goes near the top of the clip.
5 the D2 composite blade is attractive and it cuts well. I can't say I saw a lot of diff between it and regular D2 but it did seem to respond better to the Sharpmaker White hones over everyday D2.
6 when the torsion spring finally breaks it will most likely require that you mail it to the company to fix for you since most folks will be at a loss as to how to access the insides of this folder without marring up or permanently damaging the CF insert which must be removed to gain access to the screws. The Jury is still out on how difficult or damaging this task will be.

300 Series Z/T:
1 its heavy at 8 ounces
2 its wide and thick feeling in the pocket with a huge footprint that definitely required extracting the folder to get to anything deeper in your pocket. Once clipped on the pocket it takes up the whole entry way.
3 its got much better grippiness than the Tyrade
4 its equally good looking and has that same 'Wow' factor going for it.
5 its got four way pocket clip options.
6 the S30V blade has been very good performance wise and given very little trouble.
7 taking this folder apart to replace parts or clean it is as easy as field stripping anything else used for the Military. Its a breeze unlike the Tyrade is probably going to be by comparison.

STR
 
STR said:
I have owned both and preferred the Tyrade but only after converting it to tip up carry. Once I did that, I found it both more practical, and easier to justify in the city to carry for a couple of reasons over the 301 or 302 folder. But looking at the factory knives I see it like this.

The Tyrade:
1 its heavy at 6.5 ounces in weight.
2 its slim for a big knife but the stock clip and CF insert catch the pocket on slide in and out.
3 its not so wide as to cause you to have to pull the knife out of your pocket just to get something deeper down inside your pocket like your car keys. So, although big, its footprint is tolerable.
4 its tank built but the draw back for some is the clip. One way carry for tip down only and the snagging at the one point where the rim of the pocket goes near the top of the clip.
5 the D2 composite blade is attractive and it cuts well. I can't say I saw a lot of diff between it and regular D2 but it did seem to respond better to the Sharpmaker White hones over everyday D2.
6 when the torsion spring finally breaks it will most likely require that you mail it to the company to fix for you since most folks will be at a loss as to how to access the insides of this folder without marring up or permanently damaging the CF insert which must be removed to gain access to the screws. The Jury is still out on how difficult or damaging this task will be.

300 Series Z/T:
1 its heavy at 8 ounces
2 its wide and thick feeling in the pocket with a huge footprint that definitely required extracting the folder to get to anything deeper in your pocket. Once clipped on the pocket it takes up the whole entry way.
3 its got much better grippiness than the Tyrade
4 its equally good looking and has that same 'Wow' factor going for it.
5 its got four way pocket clip options.
6 the S30V blade has been very good performance wise and given very little trouble.
7 taking this folder apart to replace parts or clean it is as easy as field stripping anything else used for the Military. Its a breeze unlike the Tyrade is probably going to be by comparison.

STR
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Oh no. I had the same question in my mind (Tyrade or 0302). I really like the Tyrade design but it seems like the 0302 is more practical. I had initially chosen the Tyrade but now I'm not too sure. I'm just worried about the longevity of the Tyrade w.r.t finishing during maintenance.

can anybody clarify the impact on the finishing of the knife if the knife needs to be opened (e.g. torsion bar replacement).

Thanks.
 
Top,
I've heard that Kershaw tests their torsion bars to around 10,000 openings
Even if it did break, it is under warranty, they'll ship you a new one.

Even though it sorta depends on what you're going to be using the knife for, I'd get the 030x just because of the cool factor and the tough S30V steel.
Try and hold both before you buy one though.
 
I have used the Tyrade and found I prefer the ZT 0302 alot more in the end. I'm partial to "Tactical" knives I guess. I sold one of my Tyrades after picking up an 0302, 0400 and 0200. The steel on the Tyrade is pretty neat, and I like D2, but the handle scales on the Tyrade kept catching on my pockets, no option fo tip-up carry, finally got to me after awhile. It also seemed the lockup on my ZT pieces is a little better than the Tyrade was. I'm still keeping one of my Tyrades but it will be for my collection and not carry.
 
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