U.S Air force survival knife.

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When I think of a "Survival knife " the first thing that comes to mind is this blade.

It's archaic by todays standards but has a classic feel and boasts a great sense of nostalgia and national pride.



on looks alone the package has very pleasing colors and lines.

the knife is a "pygmy" bowie shape it has a saber grind to increase edge stability during heavy use and a fuller for a "blood groove" ( prevents blade suction when stabbing a torso, unknown if it works, I'm apathetic to this feature.)


The stacked leather is old but oiled, feels great, the grooves have good traction.
should be warm and grippy in the wet and cold.


The authentic brand now defunct. There's a rich history I'm sure someone could share about this knife in detail.



The end cap feels sturdy. Appears to be peened together.


The classic "saw back" spine.

The clip point is thin enough to take an edge.

Not much use on this knife, the factory edge has a patina.

It includes a small medium grit stone.

An overlooked feature, the leather can be used to strop the edge.
Especially if loaded with compound.
While the sheath feels great it does feel flimsy. It also has a half welt.

This knife will cut paper but only with effort and will tear more then cut. This is how sharp the common man keeps their knives. I could sharpen it, but for the average guy this is it.
Note, its not sharp enough to carve feathers.




Here a comparison to a Sharp Mora knife.

Very pleasing in hand. I wear large/XL gloves for reference.

The saw spine can be used to make tinder shavings.

It can also be used to make notches. But would be too time consuming and tedious to buck wood in half.

Here is the retention.

Here is how it carries.

Overall, an excellent keepsake.
Would I use it for survival?

Sure

We tend to forget that knowledge is the limiting factor and not the tools.

By today's standards this knife is obsolete.

There are better choices for sure.

As silly as it sounds there is more to purchasing a knife then just function. Otherwise we'd all have Fallknivens :p

( don't kill me, I'm just joking)
 
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Yours being a Camillus makes it all the more desirable. :cool: They are currently being made by Ontario, and are still good workable survival knives.
 
I have a major fondness for the Pilot Survival Knife. One made in 1972 traveled a lot of miles with me across the south and back a few times. Twice mostly on foot. I have four Camillus ones, , 1968, 1972 times two, and a 1980 one. Plus a hand full of Ontarios from the 70s to the 90s.

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I have a major fondness for the Pilot Survival Knife. One made in 1972 traveled a lot of miles with me across the south and back a few times. Twice mostly on foot. I have four Camillus ones, , 1968, 1972 times two, and a 1980 one. Plus a hand full of Ontarios from the 70s to the 90s.

Never got one
In 74, I choose a Camillus Untiity instead of a Pilot Survival, both Vietnam surplus

What is the Pilot Survival like to use?
 
Never got one
In 74, I choose a Camillus Untiity instead of a Pilot Survival, both Vietnam surplus

What is the Pilot Survival like to use?

In hand, the knife feels solid, maneuverable and wieldy. Its quite comfortable during use with its neutral grip that accommodates all grips for different techniques.

Seems to strike the fine balance between rugged yet still having the ability to cut.
 
Yup, that's the real issue item back in the day. It's really a pretty crummy knife but would get the job done in an emergency, which is all it was intended to do, given the steel apparently recycled from junked British sports cars, which were made of steel from old C and K ration cans from WWII. The 4" blade stacked leather handle Boy Scout sheath knife of the same era was a far better knife. Didn't have the blood groove (!), the saw back, or the sharpening stone, but lasted for years of hard use. And yes the survival knife's sheath's leather was of questionable origin.

It was, however, far superior to the Air Force's orange handled switch blade designed to go in the flight suit's crotch pocket. That thing wouldn't cut butter and was made so cheaply the blade point would often catch on your suit when you pulled it out of the pocket. That was the ultimate in issue junk.

To sum it up, great design, poor execution.
 
At least in the late 1950's. Marine aviators carried the same model knife. The Master Gunnery Sgt. who gave me one said the "saw" was to rip through the aluminum skin on aircraft. It wasn't the greatest slicer, but I got it sharp.

Years ago, some mook broke into my car and stole my tool box, including the knife. :mad:
 
Nostalgia aside,

its time to see how well the steel can perform.



I resharpened the edge today by hand using water stones,

My conclusion,

I'm not a fan of the steel.

It doesn't want to take a keen edge and requires lots of patients.
Its also doesnt hold a razor (hair shaving) edge well either but should be very tough and not chip out.

Some people dig holes in the ground with their survival knives.
This knife seems to have the edge toughness for it.

However, since I'm not going to be digging holes prone while under machine gun fire.

I'd prefer a sharper, better performing knife to carve a long stick into a make shift shovel.

To each there own.

My steel preferrence is for razor sharp edges that sharpen quick and easy with a decent blend of toughness and edge holding.



The tip is slightly off, but sharpening the clip swedge should increase the symmetry.


Its sharp enough to carve feather but won't shave arm hair without effort.

It was also more difficult to carve feathers with compared to my other knives.

Does it need to carve feathers?

Nope,

there are many ways of processing wood for tinder. I think this blade is well suited for its use. It doesn't do anything well but it can do many things a pilot might need to survive in a variety of climates

In reality, I would use this knife but it would be my last choice compared to other knives for the price today if I needed a user.

Buying one for its rich history and aesthetics however, is a different story.
 
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I'd agree they were overbuilt for a "woods knife," and certainly no backpacker would care to haul one around routinely. The one I have was given to me by my wife's cousin, a now-retired Air Force nurse who had two of them, one in the house, the other kicking around in her truck cab. That's this one:

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Ontario, Sept 1987. It had some rust on the blade which I removed (along with some of the parkerizing), and I put about a can of mink oil into the sheath. This one's sheath has the aluminum back-plate and toe-plate, so while the leather is thinner than what you get with a Ka-Bar, it's sufficient for its purpose.

I do know that if I ever need to drive a knife point-first into a block of solid hardwood — this is what I'll use.

And being a lefty, I appreciate the unknown designer who chose to give these things ambidextrous sheaths.
 
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the knife is a "pygmy" bowie shape it has a saber grind to increase edge stability during heavy use and a fuller for a "blood groove" ( prevents blade suction when stabbing a torso, unknown if it works, I'm apathetic to this feature.)
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While some manufacturers may market a "blood groove", it's real function is to allow the maker to remove material for a lighter knife without sacrificing edge to spine strength. If you look at it tip on, think "I beam".

But great review, I have a couple also, and agree with your conclusions - nice for nostalgia, but not the greatest knife. I'm keeping mine for nostalgia's sake.
 
Right on, glad there is a less gruesome outlook on the feature.
Glad you enjoyed the review.
I really enjoyed the pictures others shared.
This knife is as American as apple pie
It is a great reminder for us of those who put everything on the line so I can type here in English.
 
I agree about the quality of the steel. I carried one in the jungles of Panama back in '78 or '79. It simply would not hold a decent edge. Eventually I got a Kabar and it did better.
 
While some manufacturers may market a "blood groove", it's real function is to allow the maker to remove material for a lighter knife without sacrificing edge to spine strength. If you look at it tip on, think "I beam".

But great review, I have a couple also, and agree with your conclusions - nice for nostalgia, but not the greatest knife. I'm keeping mine for nostalgia's sake.

It's also an old feature off the early Marble's Ideal, which the Ka-Bar copied quite closely. The Israeli commando knife is nearly a perfect copy of the original Ideal.
 
It's also an old feature off the early Marble's Ideal, which the Ka-Bar copied quite closely. The Israeli commando knife is nearly a perfect copy of the original Ideal.

Webster Marble felt that a fuller that began at the top of the primary bevel reduced the friction encountered when cutting through meat. Most fullers are not so positioned, as in this knife. A fuller does stiffen the blade in the same way that a cylinder is stiffer than a rod made of the same amount of metal.
 
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