ultimate camp knife

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i'm thinking of making mayself an ultimate camp knife, and lending it to local hunters, to test. first i'm gonna make the blade from 3/16" thick ats'34 hardened to 57rc, 8 5/8" long, 1.5" wide, and 13.5" overall. nickle silver bolsters 3/4" long, and black micarta handles. cutlers rivets in the handle, and a lanyard. any suggestions?

[This message has been edited by magnum .44 (edited 07 November 1999).]
 
I have a couple of suggestions.

Don't use nickel silver. It tarnishes, not as badly as brass but it does. Using a stainless like 303 will be much more corrosion-resistance, not much harder to work, and probably a bit cheaper, too.

I'd rather have a guard than bolsters. Bolsters can be knocked loose from the tang and are often unsealed, whereas a guard is a single piece that wraps around the tang and is easily sealed by soldering. Bolsters are fine for small knives or folders, but on anything that might chop (and thus might strike against the guard by accident) a full metal guard is the best bet. Bolsters or "integral" guards (formed by the handle material, that is) are too easily knocked loose in this situation.

I really feel you should look beyond cutler's rivets. These press-fit types have very low holding power, and their thin heads limit the degree of handle contouring you can do. They also only come in brass or NS that I've seen. I use them for kitchen knives, but that's about it.

I prefer "Corby" style rivets in stainless - they're VERY strong, have a thick head that looks like a huge pin, and allow you to "test-assemble" the knife if you need to before you grind their heads off. "Loveless" bolts look nice but I don't care for the use of two metals and they will have a gap from their threads (though there is a good tip on fixing this). Acorn-bolts are the worst, IMO - you have to be very careful not to grind off the entire head or they look just like the Loveless-type.

I hope this helps. I've done a few knives similar to what you suggest and am working on a new field knife type right now, if you'd like to swap info. Good luck!


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I agree with Drew about the cutler rivets. About the only thing they are good for is light duty(read cheap) kitchen knives. The Corby style bolts are the strongest and best looking, unless you're trying to keep weight to a minimum, then I would recommend about six 1/8" pins. This is a strong attachment and much less weight.

However I disagree, respectfully, about the guard. If it is to be a hunters Camp knife (not a fighter) a guard as such would get in the way most of the time.(This depends a lot on the design of the knife though) But bolsters, properly pinned and soldered will not get knocked loose and will be sealed by solder as would a guard.

If I were installing bolsters on ATS34 I would use the nickel silver as it is much, much easier to solder. Unless you are really pretty darn good at soldering, going stainless to stainless is a tough job.

Personally I would prefer 5160 or D2 for a tough camp knife. But then, that's why there are as many knifemakers as there are. We all have different ideas about what is ideal in any given situation.

Hope my longwinded .02 worth helps.

Gary Bradburn
 
i'm going with the corby rivets, and sticking with n/s bolsters, i'll solder them, thanks for your input guys.
 
for ultimate strength..forget the bolsters or the guard...make the knife with integral guard and micarta glued on...thats all...i have made a lot of machetes and when guys use them really hard....the guard/bolster will eventually come loose.....maybe not often but once is once too many. also id use .250 thick stock...for weight.

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[This message has been edited by tom mayo (edited 07 November 1999).]
 
sorry tom, i can't make itergral guards, i don't have a milling machine. unless you want to lend me one, hehe. i don't know if bolsters will come loose.
 
Magnum, I think this is what Tom is talking about, and I agree with him 100%.
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For a hard use knife, bolsters don't make alot of sense. They'll just get banged up and add more weight with no function.

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