Unfinished Schrade 885UH? Made by Cumillus? - Cumillus made Schrade knives?

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This 'unfinished' knife just sold on eBay for $53.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/251204386960 ... 1423.l2649

The seller's listing sounds like he is some-what a Schrade authority; and states Camillus made Schrade knives.
I know Camillus did not make the 885UH; I also have a Camillus 886UH.
I believe the knife was a Camillus knife with a Schrade 885UH blade.
Why was there so much interest in this knife?
Did Camillus make some of the blades for Schrade? ... Ken
 
Yes, Camillus made a lot of knives for Imperial Schrade and some of the 885UH happen to be among them. Look carefully at the pictured bolster and you will see the pivot pin which goes through the bolsters, as opposed to the Schrade made 885UH which uses the hidden pin system.


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Hi Codger,
I hope you had a good Christmas, and I wish you all the best for 2013.

First, I have never seen a Schrade 885UH with pins through the bolsters.
I have a 886UH and a Buck 301 both made by Cumillus - they do have the pins through the bolsters.

Second, I have not seen a Schrade 885UH with scales like that; they look like bone. Ken
 
Actually, look closely at each picture. Increase your screen magnification and zoom on them. They appear to me to be genuine burnt stag but they are not that clear. And the shield area does not look like stag but a moulded cavity. I don't recall seeing bone jigged with that much detail. And we note that the pins have been pressed in, but not glazed. Why? Dunno. Obviously not finished. But was it a leftover of a SFO run, a reject or a sample for a limited edition? Again, I don't know. I just know that Camillus did make them for Schrade as the Camillus "S card" above shows.
 
Now you have! It was never used, to my knowledge, in any of the knives which Baer had Camillus make for Schrade, even when they were of the same pattern as knives traditionally produced in Ellenville using the Swinden key bolsters.

After further examination of the ended auction knife, the covers have the exact same appearance as the unglazed Delrin handles of the unfinished 897UH's in my collection. Likewise the blades on my knives have not been given the final edge. They have had the cover and spring pins spun though. Almost definately a Delrin (Durlin, Derin) handled knife.

You might keep your eyes open for a finished example of a Camillus made Schrade 885UH.

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My two-cents. The knife is definitely delrin handled. To me the line between light and dark is too perfect for stag. It looks like molded/dyed delrin not burnt stag. This picture tells the tale for me: dye line.JPG

I'm pretty good at seeing real stag in the dark so I'll chime in on this one.
 
Codger_64 said:
Actually, look closely at each picture. Increase your screen magnification and zoom on them. They appear to me to be genuine burnt stag but they are not that clear. And the shield area does not look like stag but a moulded cavity. I don't recall seeing bone jigged with that much detail. And we note that the pins have been pressed in, but not glazed. Why? Dunno. Obviously not finished. But was it a leftover of a SFO run, a reject or a sample for a limited edition? Again, I don't know. I just know that Camillus did make them for Schrade as the Camillus "S card" above shows.
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Codger,
I can not read that card too well. However, I can see on that card "Blade Stamp - 855UH" . Is that a card for an 855UH? And did Cumillus ever make an 855UH knife?

My "S.C.C. U.S.A. 886UH" was made by Cumillus. The blade in the knife in question is stamped "SCHRADE+ U.S.A 885"

I am not the first to say " Schrade made good knives and keept very poor records" I am trying to learn about these knives.... Ken
 
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Note the card correction at the bottom. The "S Cards" were used by Camillus to make sample runs for orders from customers, in this case, Schrade. Camillus did not make all of the 885UH, just some. Likewise with several other patterns they made for Schrade. They also made some SCC 898 knives. That card is dated 1979.
 
thawk said:
c a m i l l u s

I'll bet the blades might still be dull.
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The thing with the new construction (swinden) was that you needed a lot of specialized machinery to make the parts. It would have cost far more to supply Camillus with that machinery (and taken up a lot of space) than to just make some extra runs the old way with pins. I'm sure Camillus made a good number of different Schrade knives, after all they were under the same ownership. Would have been especially useful as a stopgap to fill orders that Schrade couldn't change tooling for, or to show more business for the Camillus plant if things were slow up there. Weather they made this particular model or not I have no idea, you'd have to check to see if any have bolster pins. The reason they only hafted off one pin on the Ebay knife was likely to see if the pin was hammered enough fo it to reman hidden once the bolster was finished.The tang stamp specs are on the bottom right of the card under 'stamped". MS stands for mark side of blade.

Eric
 
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