Update New Knife Company

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If you recall I mentioned a few weeks ago that a new knife company was rising from the ashes of the demise of Schrade. The name of the firm was to be the WALDEN KNIFE COMPANY. The goal of this endeaver was to produce an american made, top quality pocket knife made in the tradition of the knives of the Hudson valley from years gone by. You may notice I am talking in the past tense. Well do not lose heart, the past tense is only partially viable.

The prototypes for these jewels are starting to be born. However it would seem that not every one is anxious to see a new AMERICAN cutlery firm enter the market. ( WOW what a surprise I thought sure certain foreign concerns and there american, DUPES er I mean partners would be sending telegrams of congratulations ). Well they did in fact send messages and that message was that if the WALDEN name was used the new itty bitty fledgling knife company would get its first law suit. ( which by the way they had the legal written rights to use ) Why you ask? Well the contention is that if the name Walden was used it constituted an infringment (of IP) on the trade name and propertys related to Schrade ie SCHRADE WALDEN ( one of the markings used by Schrade ). The fact is that there were 3 knife factorys in Walden, Walden Knife, New york Knife Walden NY as well as Schrade and also the name walden which is a village, is public domain. Well knowing this why would they pursue a lawsuit which eventually chances are, they would lose. Well this is a little company and they are a big company and if they can tie up the little company for a year or two and cost them 40 or 50 thou in legal fees perhapes the little company won't be around any more. There I go again talking conspiracy, (As a peace officer the two first rules of thumb I learned were 1, regarding coincidences ( there is no such thing) and 2, If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and lays eggs the chances are it is a duck. ( No matter how many tell you that it is really not a duck).

Well the Schrade story has had nothing but coincidences since it started to unfold. Oh yea and it has had some real MOTHER DUCKs lurking in the backround.

So Knowing all this, a decision had to be made. The simpliest solution was to just change the name in this case it really is being done to protect the innocent. ( as they used to say in the old TV series Dragnet ). Also as they said on that series ONLY the name has been changed to protect the innocent. What that means is that the same american quality you would have expected under the Walden Knife Company will be the same you can expect from the " CANAL STREET CUTLERY COMPANY". This name was chosen mostly because these knives are being made in the old Ulster knife factory building on Canal Street in Ellenville. I do not know what the next coincidence will be in this saga but chances are there will be one. Perhapes the building the factory is in will be bought to be torn down and turned into a Chinese restaurant. Who knows? Hopefully, if there is interest I will keep everyone updated. LT
 
It would not be the first company to be litigated into obscurity. I am still interested in procuring one of the new company's knives. As long as it is American made and of the quality I expect it to be. A preproduction subscription would be welcome here. I need to talk to my Taylor about changing his sign too before he gets sued. :grumpy:
 
LT,
Keep the stories coming.
Will the new tang stamping be CSCC-SS or CSCC-CS?
Since the old "+" is probably trademarked they cant use that.
Oh I cant wait to see what the new year brings.
Happy New Year.
Larry
 
Quote: "I am still interested in procuring one of the new company's knives. As long as it is American made and of the quality I expect it to be. A preproduction subscription would be welcome here."
A great concept that might also make the "bankers" happy.
BTW, only pocket knives for me - Canada Custom's has panic attacks otherwise!!
Please put me on the mailing list.
 
Canal Street Cutlery Company - - -

I like the sound of that. You can count on me to be in line to buy from a high quality American company in the century long Schrade tradition.
 
Keep the updates coming, LT. I wish they could have kept the name 'Walden', but in fact, it is the quality of the product the new company produces- not the name- that will make it a success or failure.

Give the 'Canal Street' guys our encouragment, LT, and let them know they have a small, but passionate group of people already on their waiting list. Codger has offered to make a pre-production subscription. That makes two of us. Any others?

Phil

Miss Ellenville, USA, courtesy of the 'new' Schrade companies:
 
Some 30 years ago when my father retired he joined my cousin and a friend and set up a small ceramic shop in Queretaro, they had one oven, two lathes and a couple of employees, they made vases and mugs and figurines in top quality high temperature ceramics. Every year they would go to Oaxaca and buy a truckload of the finest clay they could find right there by the mountainside where it was being mined, sometimes it was red clay, sometimes black, sometimes grey, whichever was best, they cleaned and prepared the clay by hand and made some beautiful stuff, once they won a national crafts prize.

Then some guy from a local hotel asked them to make several thousand ashtrays, and they did, then some other guy from a large chain department store asked them to make several thousand mugs, then some German guy asked them to make a whole bunch of stuff to take for sale in Europe, and so on, so they started making molds and mass production, they hired more people, etc. pretty soon they were looking for a larger place and needed capital for investment, the guy who had originally ordered the mugs told them that he would buy them up and they could work for him, he would get a large place, more ovens, set up a real production line, etc. and he did. My cousin said he wanted nothing of it, said he was an artist not a manager, he quit and moved to Veracruz where he set up his own small shop.

The new place worked for about a year then problems began to pop up, top quality clay in large volumes isn´t easy to find, cheap mugs from China started to flood the market, these were low temperature clay, injection molded, simple cylindrical shape with cute decals, I´m sure you´ve seen them.

Eventually the place closed down, my father who still had his old pension didn´t worry much, he got into making some cute wooden puzzles with some other guy he new and did that to the end of his days. I still have a bunch of nice ceramic stuff including a full dinning set that they gave me for my wedding, hand made top quality stuff.

My cousin still makes a living from his small place in Veracruz, he sells few but top quality, all hand made, has had shows in Europe and is well known in the trade.

The point is that there are markets and there are niches, Schrade could not survive making fine stuff for a large market that wants cheap, but a small company can do fine with the small niche of consumers who want quality, and which is a market that the large volume cheap makers are not interested in.

So I wish success to the Canal Street Cutlery Company, and a great 2005 to all.

Luis


From the old shop, a couple of mugs that I keep at work:

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P.S.

Found a site with some of my cousins work:

http://www.mexicandesign.com/galeria/perez.swf

And a book:

http://www.artbooks-ltd.com/artbooks.cgi/J8846.html
 
Well said mi amigo, as prophetic and true then as now. We will see. Saber es poder. and to take it a bit further history is knowledge. LT
 
I'm in Ellenville once a month or so, I'll have to drive up Canal street and check 'em out once they're up and running.
 
lt632ret said:
If you recall I mentioned a few weeks ago that a new knife company was rising from the ashes of the demise of Schrade. The name of the firm was to be the WALDEN KNIFE COMPANY. The goal of this endeaver was to produce an american made, top quality pocket knife .... turned into a Chinese restaurant. Who knows? Hopefully, if there is interest I will keep everyone updated. LT

howdy may i sujest Americian Anvil americian fourdge or Yankee Anvil or another spelling of the word as a possable name...also may i sujest using difrent state outlines as year marks for the blades each year or each half year like the 25 cent coins ?!?!?

dorn right there is intrest... i am a fan of another company's knives that i jest this past month learned has made in china knives sold in usa in their name as has other fans of the icon company as your co could become!

here i the link to a page of the HOT discusion concerning usa and made in and disapoint ment : http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=266375&page=3&pp=20

here are two other links that are important in any discussion of made in usa or implied made in usa

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/buspubs/madeusa.htm
http://www.ftc.gov/os/1997/12/epsmadeusa.htm#e8

these sites are .gov sites and state the law concerning
made in usa
and implying made in usa!

basicly it is that if there is any referance to usa or american worker,americian quality or americian standords or a plant in the usa includeing a picture as a plant or location made at in the usa that disclouser is a must...
hummm you politely did not name any maker of knives and that is as it should be...but were i U i would READ these pages/post concerning the expressed unhappness of the fans of this co in not knowing what is usa and what is not and the examplyels given and not make the same mastakes in disclouser...
heck email me and i will tellyou ablout it...
 
I have to say, if anyone can pull this off, the guys who are working that operation can. They probably would have been hindered by litigation, but since they bought the trademark, I don't think they would have lost. Their business savvy just keeps shining through, and whoever it is that keeps trying every avenue to block them will soon find that these guys can rise above anything that is dished out to them. There is not a doubt in my mind that no matter how they get there, they will definitely get there.
 
Thanks for the news, Lt. I really don't care what they end up calling the company. I want some of their knives :D.
 
For those who ask 'Canal??' - In 1828 the Delaware and Hudson Canal opened and operated until 1898. It was built to carry coal from the Pocono Mtn coal fields [anthracite coal] to New York City via the Hudson and Delaware rivers. It also carried lumber and stone.Parts of the canal have been restored and there are things like the Roebling [Brooklyn bridge builder]aquaduct built in 1848. I live near Lock 69.
 
Interesting, Mete. We've learned a lot in this forum about the rich industrial history of the Hudson river valley from our member LT632ret. Thanks for adding to our knowledge base.
Phil

ps.. the more I hear, the more I hope things work out for our new company. Thanks for keeping us informed, LT and Debbie.
Phil
 
With so many experienced hands in the area, it would be a shame to miss a last chance getting them to work to pass on their skills, too.
 
I can't wait to see the first run of products from Canal Street. Is this the same Phil I used to work with? How is your golf game going?
 
Never played golf in my life, Medic. But glad to meetcha and welcome to our forum.
Phil
 
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