updated list of electrician knife manufactures

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I have compiled an updated list of both tl-29 and non military electrician knife manufacturers. I would like if possible for everyone to put pictures of each one so everyone can see the differences in age and type over the years. the ww2 era knives look a lot different from the later examples. I just want some kind of picture record if we can get there.
Here is the list.

Boker
Cammillus
Camco
Case
Cattaraugus
Colonial
Craftsman
Cuttin Horse
Empire
Holub
Imperial
Ka-bar
Keen Kutter
Kingston
Klein & Sons
Kutmaster
Miller Brothers
O.K. Cutlary
Queen Cutlary
Remington
Ric-Nor
Schrade
Schrade Cutlary
Schrade Walden
Sears
Smith & Wesson
Ulster
Walden
 
Mine says M. Klein and Sons Chicago
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I have compiled an updated list of both tl-29 and non military electrician knife manufacturers. I would like if possible for everyone to put pictures of each one so everyone can see the differences in age and type over the years. the ww2 era knives look a lot different from the later examples. I just want some kind of picture record if we can get there.
Here is the list.

Boker
Camillus
Camco
Case
Cattaraugus
Colonial
Craftsman
Cuttin Horse
Empire
Holub
Imperial
Ka-bar
Keen Kutter
Kingston
Klein & Sons
Kutmaster
Miller Brothers
O.K. Cutlery
Queen Cutlery
Remington
Ric-Nor
Schrade
Schrade Cutlery
Schrade Walden
Sears
Smith & Wesson
Ulster
Walden

It is worthwhile to note, I believe, that several of these are not manufacturers but merchants who had manufacturers put their merchant marks on knives.

Michael
 
a polite question what are electrician knives? how do they differ from regular knives?
 
The picture posted above by Trent Rock displays typical features of an electrician's knife. Most (not all) have a device to allow one blade to be locked in the open position. The usual two blades include the screwdriver blade with wire stripper (rounded indent near the tang), and a utility blade gor general cutting such as the spear point on this example (much worn down). Most (again not all) include a bail (clevis, ring etc.) to allow it to be attached to a lanyard of some sort so that the electrician doesn't drop it and have to climb down a ladder to retrieve it. Most have non-conductive handle materials such as wood (cocobolo, ebony, hardwood) or plastic so that when the knife hits a hot wire, only the knife gets fried, not the tradesman.


Here is one I've been working on for a while, and I thought I'd share a rough draft and get some further information from you collectors.

Among the classic working man’s pocketknife patterns which has survived basically unchanged for nearly a hundred years is the Electrician’s knife. I believe every division of Imperial Schrade, and all of it’s predecessors as well as most of it’s competitors have made them at one time or another. It was an early “utility”, or workman’s pattern, much like the horticulture knives which also have been made for a long time. Electrician’s knives were in great demand during the second world war, and government contracts were filled by several companies, and even gave rise to a few companies seeking a piece of the government contract pie.

During WWII, "Food Rationing" and "Gas Rationing" were instituted and ration coupon books can still occasionally be found in attics. These are the most often remembered civilian restrictions in America's past to help in the war effort. Some others are less known but were more important in the effort to conserve resources on the home front, freeing them for the manufacture of war goods. Some of the more important orders issued were the "Steel Act" and the "Copper Order", these limitations or conservation restrictions almost completely shut down production of common manufactured goods available to civilian consumers. One very important order affecting the cutlery industry was the "General Limitation Order on Cutlery No. L-140" of the "War Production Board". This order sharply curtailed cutlery production for most civilians.

Knife makers were scrambling to find military contracts, for only with a “priority” provided by a contract could they acquire the steel and brass needed to make knives. And only with a promised supply of materials could they take the contracts! The new owner of the Dwight Devine works (Ulster Knife Company), Albert Baer, astute businessman that he was, managed to find a deal on a large supply of steel, brass and other metals in early 1941. On a prospective buying trip to visit the recently closed Remington Dupont cutlery plant, he learned that LF&C was also closing, and deferring the Remington purchase to PAL, bought every bit of steel and other metals in the LF&C inventory for two cents a pound. Eventually during the war, brass was in such short supply that most available was routed to munitions manufacturing. Knives made during the war which traditionally used brass liners, pins, and blade liner locks such as the TL-29 electrician / Signal Corps knives used steel instead for these parts. The use of brass was resumed after the war.

In it’s basic form, an electrician’s knife is based upon a two bladed barehead jack, very much like a short bolstered Barlow pattern. The most widely used master blade is the spearpoint, though not exclusively so. The secondary blade which pretty well defines the pattern, is a flat slotted screwdriver blade, usually with a wire insulation stripper feature of one type or another. Most, though not all, feature a blade lock on the screwdriver blade. Bails (also called shackles) are also commonly seen on this pattern, though not always.

The knife takes it’s most common name from the military specification "TL-29," TL standing for "Tool - Linemen". According to Tom Williams, Camillus historian, the Camillus electrician's knife is a #57 pattern and Camillus has produced this pattern since WWI. The military designation suggests it’s adoption in 1929. As produced during WWII, the TL-29 came in a kit, “TE-33", consisting of a leather dual belt pouch “CS-34", the “TL-29" knife, and a pair of “TL-13A” cutting pliers. Evidenced by surplus stocks from the period, the knives were also supplied individually wrapped in waxed paper in cardboard boxes of a half dozen knives each, so were likely issued also without the pouches and pliers as needed.

The TL-29 knife continues in production to this day, though I’m not sure it is still a Military contract item. Stories abound from former military personnel as to when the knives were issued and for what purpose. One gentleman states that they were specifically made for use in removing the cowling from Huey helicopters. Others remember them being included in aviation maintenance tool bags. Most common earlier remembrances were that they were used by soldiers of the U.S. Signal Corps for laying field telephone wires. Demolitions use was also mentioned, but the screwdriver blade was not of the appropriate size and shape for making holes for blasting caps and fuses.

As to who exactly was the first cutlery to produce this pattern, I haven’t a clue. Cattaraugus is credited with a 1909 patent for the liner lock used on the screwdriver blade. Some knives of this pattern are describerd in catalogs as being without the lock, and also without the bail, both of which I believe are specified in the TL-29 military specifications, though I haven’t located that sheet as of yet.

The 3 3/4" number 2042SD is the first of this pattern illustrated in the Schrade Cutlery Company’s 1926 catalog. This ebony wood handled example had a nickle silver “empire” shield and bolsters, brass linings, and a brass blade lock for the screwdriver/wire stripper blade. The large spear point master blade did not have a lock, a feature rarely seen on even later renditions of this pattern. It was available with or without the shackle (bail). This knife was a “barehead”, having only the front bolsters, and no rear.

In 1926 the 3 5/8" number 2053 ½ was also listed. It featured stag jigged bone handle with a nickle silver “propeller” shield and bolsters. Unlike the 2042SD, this one was “tipped” or had small read bolsters for decoration and reenforcement. It also use a sheepfoot master blade, and a differently ground screwdriver blade, both with a long mark. The screwdriver blade did not feature a lock on this on this one.

Listed as well in 1926 was a third variant, the 3 5/8" number 3053 ½, which added a pen blade to the 2053 ½.

A 3 5/8" number 8443 was listed which had all the features of the 2053 ½, except it used a spear point blade as the master, and a third blade, a leather punch pinned to the other end of the knife. It is named the Automobile and Electrician’s knife, and is illustrated with “Auto-Electric” etched on the master blade. It does not have a blade lock.

The 1929 catalog lists a 3 3/4" number 2043SD with shackle. It is the same as the ebony handled 2042SD but with jigged bone handles.

In 1930, another variant, the 3 5/8" number 2311SD appears with cocobola handle, and the number 2314BSD with black celluloid handle. Both are sleeveboard patterns rather than the previous equal end knives. Both featured blade locks.

A knife listed in 1934 appears to fit the definition of the pattern, but for the addition of a bottle opener to the screwdriver blade. That is the 3 5/8" Screw Driver Jack Knife number C2153SD. It has stag jigged bone handles with NS bomb shield, both ends steel bolstered with no bail, and a spear master blade with the screwdriver/opener combo blade, no lock. The same knife with caps and shield omitted, cocobola handles is number 2151SD.

A 3 3/4 number C2141SD cocobola handled electrician’s knife was listed with lock, and available also with shackle.

This lineup was produced pretty well from the years introduced until the company was sold to the Baers in 1946.

Catalog resources are spotty at best, usually missing altogether from the war years of 1941-1945, and pick up again in 1946-47 with the Ulster/Kingston knives. Unfortunately, the Schrade Walden catalogs are missing until the early 1950's.

With the Schrade Walden Electrician’s knives, the first one in my catalogs appears in 1950, the number 204, which is noted as being the same as the old number C2041SD, a Schrade Cut Co number. It has the same features as the C2042SD listed in 1926, except that it had the blade lock. It was available with shackle or without. In 1954, it was listed with and without a shackle. In 1959, it was offered as the #204WW and 204WWSHA with the new “Wonda-Wood” impregnated wood handles. This is also the last year it is noted and illustrated as being available without the shackle.

Records indicate that in 1959, the Sears Roebuck #9478 was a Kingston K-29 Electrician’s knife in mahogony plastic, and in 1962 it was changed to the Ulster TL-29 Electrician’s knife in Wonda-Wood with bail. In 1963, the number for the Ulster TL-29 was #9529, and 9560 in 1966. At some point, it was changed to the Schrade 204, then the Imperial Work Mate RJ750 in 1985.

The 1960 and 1961 Ulster catalogs listed their Electrician pattern, the 3 3/4" TL-29W with Wonda-Wood handles, and the Kingston version, the 3 3/4" K-29 with mahogany grained plastic handles, both with the center safety lock. Neither were shielded. The Kingston version was the one sold to Sears. Schrade Walden’s catalog of the same year listed the 204SHA, no longer offered without the shackle, but with Wonda-Wood handles and empire shield. It was named “Handyman” in the catalog this year for the first time. In 1965, the 204SHA was noted to be hardwood. It continued to appear every year basically unchanged until the 1970 catalog where the shield was deleted, and it appears to be delrin handled. At that time, it began to be listed as 204S. The handle material was changed to delrin. The handle was not described until the 1974 Belknap catalog where it was called “Genuine Woodgrain Delrin”. It was named “Master Electrician” in this catalog, and retained the bail and blade lock. The 204S was omitted from the 1976 Schrade catalog. An Electrician pattern knife is not seen again until the appearance of the Irish produced Tradesman line in the 1991 catalog, the TM2 and three blade TM3.

The Ulster TL29 appeared in the 1970 Belknap catalog, now with shackle, and the mahogany grained plastic handles formerly used on the Kingston branded K-29.

ISC also made the electrician pattern under the Imperial stamp. In 1985, they introduced a new “Work Mates” series of knives with carbon steel blades, woodgrain jigged delrin handles, nickle silver bolsters. The four knives were the 3 3/4" RJ750 Electrician’s knife, the 3 3/4" RJ751 using a hawkbill blade in place of the spear master blade, the 4" RJ752 with a large single hawkbill blade, and the 3 1/4" RJ753 Lineman’s single sheepfoot blade, all four with bails, the RJ750 and RJ751 having locks for the screwdriver blades.

The Remington catalog of 1936 shows their 3 3/8" #R-2111 giving the same general specifications as the Schrade Cut Co and other maker’s TL-29 pattern. Here is a partial list of brands I have seen during a recent eBay survey of the Electrician knives while doing this research. It is not a list of cutleries who produced them for the military, before, during, or since WWII.
Boker
Camillus
Camco
Case
Colonial
Imperial
Kingston
Ka-Bar
Klein
Kutmaster
Queen
Remington
Schrade
Schrade Cut Co
Schrade Walden
Ulster
Utica

(cont.)
 
Many of these knives were made by the larger manufacturers and sold under various trade names. we all know that sears is not a manufacturer. I should have stated that in my lists. I was just trying to list all the various possible tang stamps that I have heard of. I am sure there may be more like montgomery wards. Please feel free to add to the list. I am not an expert by and means. I am just an interested collector.

As to the question of ,what is an electrician knife? these were basically 1 to 4 blade knives made for the electrical trade , but used in various military and civilian applications. here is a link to the original thread so you can read some history.I am just trying to revive the thread and update some additional information because it is a new hobby of mine. I am an electrician and I collect these knives .I have about 10 of them and the collection is growing. My current pocket knife that I carry every day is a 1960 or 61 ulster with the plastic rosewood style handle.Its was rescued from a dealer at a flea market and restored by me. I have another thread which i detail how to restore these knives. it is a labor intensive process that takes about 2 hours of work.I feel it is well worth it!

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=435806&highlight=tl-29
 
Additionally, these knives are commonly found with the names of distributors and retailers stamped on them, such as the ones marked “Holub Sycamore Ill. U.S.A.” made for Holub Industries. Inc., an electrical tool and component distributor (now ITT Holub Industries), and of course the ones made for Sears Roebuck under several tangstamps such as Dunlap and Craftsman.
The long-lived electrician pattern knife, though still made, has fallen out of favor for both civilian and military use. The two main reasons are the proliferation of multi-tools, and the replacement of slotted screws in most industries with Phillips head screws.
Although Henry F. Phillips (1890-1958) received patents for the design in 1936 (US Patent #2,046,343, US Patents #2,046,837 to 2,046,840), it was so widely copied that by 1949 he lost his patent. The American Screw Company was responsible for devising a means of manufacturing the screw, and successfully patented and licensed their method; other screw makers of the 1930s dismissed the Phillips concept since it calls for a relatively complex recessed socket shape in the head of the screw — as distinct from the simple milled slot of a flathead screw.
As we now know, the rest is history. Power tool assembly, for which the Phillips head screws excel, in the aircraft, electronics and auto manufacturing fields has all but displaced the familiar slotted screw, hence the need for a screwdriver for them.

Still, the Electrician’s knife, a design nearly a century old, if not older, represents a treasure trove for the knife collector. Handle materials, once jigged bone, then ebony, rosewood or cocobola, then phenolic resin impregnated hardwood, became a variety of plastics in several colors to approximate the appearance of those woods, then Delrin molded with woodgrain texture or bone appearance. According to Camillus historian Tom Williams, the TL-29 pattern, their number 27, is the second highest recorded selling pattern just under the Mil-K military utility knife.

In preparing this research, I obtained ten examples (seven pictured):
1. Schrade Cut. Co. Walden N.Y. 3 3/4", near mint with beautiful light wood handles, brass liners, lock, and pins, “To release push center lock to left” etched on the screwdriver blade, no bail.
2. Schrade Cut. Co. Walden N.Y. 3 3/4", used with dark wood handles impressed TL-29, steel liners, lock and pins, faint surviving etch “To release push center lock to left” on the screwdriver blade, stamped aluminum bail with rounded diecut ends on steel pin.
3. Ulster Knife Co. 3 ½", used with dark wood handles impressed TL-29, steel liners, lock and pins, no surviving etch on the screwdriver blade, heavy round steel wire bail with pierced flattened ends on steel pin.
4. Ulster U.S.A. 3 3/4", near mint with dark swirled plastic handles, brass liners, lock and pins, “Press” stamped on lock in the place of a screwdriver blade etch, steel wire bail with pierced flattened ends on steel pin.
5. Kingston U.S.A. 3 3/4", lightly used dark mottled plastic handles, brass liners, lock and pins, “Press” stamped on lock in the place of a screwdriver blade etch, steel wire bail with pierced flattened ends on steel pin.
6. Holub Sycamore U.S.A., 3 3/4" light brown bone colored Delrin handles, brass liners, lock and pins, faint surviving blade etch, steel wire bail with pierced flattened ends on steel pin.
7. Imperial Prov. R.I. USA, 3 3/4", mint woodgrained Delrin handles, brass liners, lock and pins, no stamp on lock or blade etch, steel wire bail with pierced flattened ends on steel pin.
8. Imperial Prov.USA, 3 3/4", lightly used with dark wood handles, steel liners, lock and pins, no stamp on lock, faint surviving blade etch, steel wire bail with pierced flattened ends on steel pin.
9. Made In USA, 3 3/4", used with dark wood handles, nickle silver “propeller” shield (matches early Schrade Cut Co patterns), brass liners, lock, and steel pins, no surviving blade etch or bail. Goins indicates this may be a Sears contract knife.
10. KA-BAR OLEAN N.Y. 3 3/4" used poor with dark wood, nickle silver "Empire" style TL-29 stamped shield, steel bolsters, pins and liners, brass liner lock, missing bail.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=435806&highlight=Electrician
 
I'm wondering how many of them are actually STAMPED with TL-29 on the handles??
I have owned about 8 "electrician's knives" and none of them have the stamp on the handle:(
Maybe ONE day I'll get lucky and get one with TL-29 stamped on the handle....
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UPDATE!!
well
I bought The Official Price Guide to Collector Knives 15th Edition a few days ago
Lo and behold there is a TL-29 section!!!
It has a list of WHERE the TL-29's are stamped
The list isn't quite as comprehensive as the one above
Maybe the 16th edition will be more complete

It has an IC CO (made by Ka-Bar)
and PAL (NO TL-29 marking) listed
Wasn't PAL and Remington/DuPont somehow related???

I'm debating the legality of posting the list from the book
Although I think it falls under the "for criticism" clause of the Fair Use Act
Then again, Trent ain't no lawyer................
 
just picked up a camillus tl-29 stamped that way. that is my new passion. does anyone know when the timeline for stamped knives was. did they stamp them all the way until vietnam?
 
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