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Fixed is the same, generally speaking, as for a folder. NYS has no limit on blade length, but the larger the blade for EDU, the more suspiciously it'll be viewed by LE. There are no prohibitions against fixed blade carry, open or concealed. That said, outside of the more rural areas open carry of a fixed blade is not common (IME). If it looks like it's primary use is for a weapon -
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- you could set yourself up for an arrest. To get a conviction they'd still have to prove intent to use unlawfully. Double edges or designs that are primarily for stabbing fulfill the "intent to use unlawfully", so use common sense when picking a particular blade style. With all the BS surrounding the NYC and downstate interpretation of a "gravity knife", I've switched over to carrying a fixed blade for EDU.
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I have a couple of neck knives I rotate that I wear IWB. They're all about 3" - 7" overall. You can bring a machete w/ you camping w/out running afoul of the law.
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There are some towns, cities, and counties that have their own restrictions. Can make it a real bear to figure when traveling. Could be worth checking with your local LEO's, just in case what you've heard is true for your town or if it's just mythinformation.
This just goes to show how the majority of knife laws around the country are unconstitutional. A person is driving across the state and is suddenly stopped and harrassed or arrested for the "crime" of carrying a knife of a certain description. A few feet ago, it was not a problem. But when the guy crosses a magical line drawn on a map, suddenly the possesion of a certain knife becomes a "crime". It is all pure nonsense. Our founding fathers are rolling in their graves. Why did they fight and die for our freedom when we have to deal with all this nonsense? I carry knives every day of every year in New Hampshire with no problem. If I were to drive to another state, then suddenly it can become a "felony." How can something I do every day in peaceful New Hampshire, magically become such a huge "crime?" New Hampshire (with no knife laws) borders on Massachussets (with ridiculously strict knife laws). Therefore I can take a few steps and to go from good citizen to felon. Here's the thing- I become a "felon" while doing nothing wrong! If it were actually wrong, it would harm people in New Hampshire. Since it does not, the laws of other states are pure fiction. Since the knife laws (1) restrict men's freedom and (2) help no one and (3) have no logical purpose, they are illegal and void.
dougshoe, while I can agree with you in principle ( and I have been looking at houses in NH), your review of the law is as wrong as wrong can be. People feel that different laws are not valid all the time. There are many who feel drug laws are equally as wrong as weapon laws, but it does not give them a valid right to break those laws. I would love to see the numerous weapons laws changed accross this entire country and to allow for laws that make actions, not items illegal. Until such time as the laws are changed, breaking the law makes you by defintion a criminal. You will never win a change if you don't work within the system to make the change. Breaking the law because you do not like the law, takes away your valid point of view, and allows those who disagree with you to write off your statements as those of a criminal defending his illegal actions...
Not true. Recently, the last knife law in NH disappeared. I happened because a knife dealer in NH sold a switchblade. He was charged and his knives were seized. Now the law is gone and his knives have been returned- at least most of them. Many of the switchblades disappeared inside the police station (but that's another story).
If that were true, then it would apply to the Boston Tea Party, our founding fathers, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., Ghandi, and our Lord Jesus Christ. Did society simply write off these men? Where these men unable to cause change in the world? If so, then your statement is true.
Each man will have to decide if it is time for him to disobey unjust knife laws in his area. Personally, I don't believe we have reached that point. But here is the thing- the laws are so complicated and vague that good citizens break them without realizing it and become "criminals" or even "felons."
#1 The laws are complicated. They change from one city to the next. It is impossible for the typical citizen to know and understand all the laws.
#2 The laws are vague. What is a "dagger" for example? Usually the law does not define it's terms. Therefore the term dagger or other vague terms could be applied to almost any knife or knifelike object.
If a corporation wanted to move weapons grade uranium from one city to the next, I would expect them to consult their team of lawyers first. However, I would not expect Joe Bob to hire a team of lawyers before he attempts to walk to the next town with a Swiss Army knife in his pocket. Today's knife laws can make Joe Bob a felon for doing just that. Therefore the laws are unreasonable, slavish, illogical, unconstitutional, illegal, and void. The knife laws are so ridiculous that I expect them to be challenged without intentional disobedience. I expect them to start falling as private citizens are arrested for having small folding knives or utility knives and are then forced into defending themselves. If the state does win in court, then they can put good men in jail for doing nothing wrong. Then the state can pay what it costs to keep these good men in jail for doing nothing wrong. Heck, let them start with me. I make no claims to perfection, but I try hard to be a good citizen and do nothing wrong. When that becomes a crime, lock me up. The prisons are filled to the top already, so they can set free child murderers and rapists to make room for me. That will be one more Swiss Army knife off the streets and everyone can sleep better at night.
The NH case ( if it was AL) was one of many issues that drove the change in the law, but the more relevant one was the uncertain law about about deifnitions of types of knives and the clear restrictions on the sale of cetain knives. The system did not cahnge due to the arrests of several dealers ( and there were a few over the years in NH), but rather a sensible law maker that wrote and presented a law in a state that already highly values it freedoms. She worked with in the system and made a change. That is how our laws work and have for over 200 years.
Once again, I believe in the Second Amendment as strongly as you do, however, the methods to change take reasonable steps. The heros you listed above, used peaceful protests to prove their point, and yes they broke certain low level laws and were jailed for those offenses. I hate to say that in the normal soicety that we all live in, breaking a weapons law would not be viewed as peaceful civil disobediance.
Once again, I believe in the Second Amendment as strongly as you do, however, the methods to change take reasonable steps. The heros you listed above, used peaceful protests to prove their point, and yes they broke certain low level laws and were jailed for those offenses. I hate to say that in the normal soicety that we all live in, breaking a weapons law would not be viewed as peaceful civil disobediance.