urban edc survival kit any thoughts?

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I carry different items on me on different places keyring,pocket,backpack etc.

heres what is in it right now

on my person

1.swisschamp
2.wallet
3.micro light(attached to swiss champ)
4.fisher space pen
5.citizen watch

in my back pack
1.am fm discman
2.mini mag lite AA
3.clothes pins
4.flip grip pliers
5.small first aid kit
6.extra clothes
7.energy bars
8.nalgene water bottle
9.toiltries
10.paper
11.zippo lighter
12.black paracord
13.medicine
14.lisaaki jarvenpaa puuko
 
Urban survival for me is very different from rural.

Living in Japan earthquakes are a very real threat. I would think that first aid, pain killers, water, a means to carry water, water purification, some cordage and a poncho along with some dried food (beef Jerkey and candy bars) would see you through one night and then you would be able to make a better plan when the smoke clears.

So,

500ml Pop bottle
small dropper bottle with bleach
Beef Jerkey and Snickers
Ponch
20' Paracord
Some Rx painkillers, anti-inflammatories and antibacterial creame.
small dressings and bandages.
4 LED flashlight
Season depending, a few hex tabs for a brew, add a Ti cup and coffee or tea to the list then.
A small bottle (couple of ounces) of Glenmorangie

The link guy is wrong about sealing the straws, its very easy to do. Flaten the straw as best you can by creasing it with your fingernails. Hold it about 8mm from the end. Run a lighter over the ends until they start to thicken up and look soft. Quickly lick your finger and thumb and press the two ends together. They will weld right together and stay welded.
 
Urban Survival can be as encompassing as Wilderness Survival.
Were I to work in a city. I would have in addition to the above.
maybe more Glen Morangie :)

dust masks
swim goggles

for edc urban PSK I also carry this
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PSK personal survival kit.
Contains:
1 StarFlash mirror
1 4X Fresnel magnifier credit card size.
18 inch duct tape on plasticized paper. I've had this in my wallet and one in my psk carried all the time and they're perfect!
3 antiseptic swabs
3 clean wipes alcohol swab
6 safety pins 3 large 3 small
1 hydrocortisone anti itch cream
1 antibacterial towelette. Don't you love that word. :)
1 24 inch double strand stainless steel wire. Malleable. Won't break by bending. Practically indestructible. You need to cut it. Wraps real nice and easy
And of course one case. This is magnificent. measures 2.5x3.4x5/8 inches Small and tight. Really rugged as this is my edc and is used a lot.

Tom
 
Temper said:
Living in Japan earthquakes are a very real threat.
Hi Temper, I've pasted below a posting from BFC member Ouchicutmyself based on his experiences in the Kobe earthquake.

I concur on the importance of having a sturdy angled crowbar (not the flat-stock Wonder Bars) in your kit. IMHO it would be in the 18"-36" size range, depending on how conveniently you can carry its weight and length. It could be used to breach semi-stuck doors, smash windows, etc on your way out of a building.

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Begin quote by ouchicutmyself
Very interesting group here. This is my first post to this group but I feel I need to address a few things. I’m also speaking from experience when it comes to urban survival/catastrophes. I live in Kobe, Japan, and lived there January 17th, 1995 when the big earthquake hit. I lived next to the expressway that fell over, dug people out of homes that collapsed, tried to figure out what was going on (I didn’t speak Japanese at the time) and even carried my dead friend on the front door of her house.

First rule when preparing your kit (DO NOT expect the government or emergency agencies to respond quickly!) In Japan, it was notoriously slow. It took a week before food, water, or any help at all came. The Yakuza (Japanese Mafia) used speed boats to bring in food, water and supplies to SHARE with the people the DAY the quake hit. I wouldn’t count on this either. By the way, they gave it away and didn’t sell it at an inflated price!

A good prybar is a must. Your knife won’t do it. Even a large heavy bladed knife won’t substitute for a good prybar, axe, or hatchet.
A hand operated chain saw. These are small and cut very well. It is essentially a modified chainsaw chain with handles.
Water, water, water, and more water. You can go a surprising long time without food, but dehydration can set in fast especially considering that most people walk around a bit dehydrated to start with.

For flashlights, get a Sure Fire. I carry an E1, a 6P, and have a 9P at home. The batteries in lithium flashlights have a shelf life of 10 years, are not effected by cold, are small and easy to carry. You will need a BRIGHT light. If you want to test this, go out into the woods on a moonless night and try making your way for awhile. In a major quake, you have phone/power lines hanging at neck level, a dangerous footing and you need to see farther than your feet. A mini maglight is horrible in this situation. It does not give nearly enough light to make your way through a city that has been effectively destroyed.
Sure Fire sells a battery pack with led that is a good backup for batteries and will give a very small amount of light for days. I recommend it.

Gloves. Have a good pair of leather work gloves that you have previously broken in. You wouldn’t go walking around without shoes on in an emergency so why would you leave your hands unprotected?

Knife. A small folding, one hand opening knife is ideal. Must have a lockable blade. An insulated handle is also a must for cutting any live wires, so some Spyderco models are out. Be careful that the metal liners in the knife handle are completely covered by the outside plastic/rubber etc. Absolutely carry a sharpening stone. Practice sharpening BEFORE you are in an emergency and need to. Practice on the knife you carry. Honing your cutlery at home and sharpening a dinged and worn knife in the field are not the same thing.

One last thing, I do believe that the every man for himself idea is utterly selfish. I gave away several items in the Kobe quake. I even gave my only camping stove to a family I pulled out of their house and I expected nothing in return. They needed it. They had children, I didn’t.

“Do unto others as you would have others do unto you… or your loved ones.” How would you feel if your wife or family died because someone refused to share with them? Yes, my wife had problems with this (she wasn’t my wife at the time and I didn’t even know her then) but some people refused to share food with her. I consider these people sub-human.

You will not survive without the help of others. If you are trapped in a building and can’t get out as the fires are coming (I was there, I saw it) and people leave because they think it’s too dangerous to help you…you die. You will need others help.

Lastly, does your wife, parents, children carry the same things as you? Probably not. What would someone’s help be worth to you for them helping your family in an emergency?

Enough ranting. Be prepared yourself, and be prepared to help others, you may need their help as well.

D. Thorpe
Kobe, Japan
End quote by ouchicutmyself
 
i'm looking for a edc kit also but can't find anything that i can carry in a pocket other than the survival capsule from tripleaught design. i don't want to carry a pouch on my belt. maybe i should try the altoids tin for a backpocket carry
 
Thanks for the link RokJock, if you saw the potential mess here you wouldnt believe it. The are no zoning laws, so you get steel plants next to residential buildings, there are delapadated wooden houses with heavy tile roofs everywhere just waiting for a little lateral stress, ALL power lines are above ground on UGLY AS SIN concrete telegraph poles (imagine how many power lines) narrow roads (often less than 10') People have Propane tanks outside (underground gas lines are not in all areas) people use KEROSENE heaters in the house!!! so there are tanks of fuel everywhere as soon as the temp drops. Japanese seem to really feel the cold and when it drops to about 20 degrees (Sub tropical for a Brit) the damned truck comes around selling Kersoene.

Everytime we get a small trembler I can just imagine the death toll. Its estimated 14,000 will die in the Tokyo area, no way! I would put it at nearly 100-250,000. Like the post mentioned, help was really slow. Red tape, pure idiocy and lack of common sense and an unwillingness to make a decision will kill more people than the initial toll IMO.

I think I will look into getting some kind of pry bar though, I can certainly see a need for that. Does anyone make a Ti one about 12"?
 
RokJok said:
Hi Temper, I've pasted below a posting from BFC member Ouchicutmyself based on his experiences in the Kobe earthquake.
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Begin quote by ouchicutmyself
Knife. A small folding, one hand opening knife is ideal. Must have a lockable blade.

D. Thorpe
Kobe, Japan
End quote by ouchicutmyself

I'm asking as much out of curiosity as ignorance, I guess, but why is a locking blade considered a must? I usually pack one of my Swiss Army tools, and most of them do not offer a locking blade.
 
Temper said:
I think I will look into getting some kind of pry bar though, I can certainly see a need for that. Does anyone make a Ti one about 12"?
Titanium prybar or crowbar web vendors:
For post-earthquake or urban disaster extricating yourself from a building, alternatives to carrying a titanium crowbar might be a Hooligan tool, a rolling head pry bar, or the Cold Steel Special Forces shovel.

Hooligan tools are more versatile than crowbars, but are heavier (being made of steel) and the ones I've found are rather expensive ($150+ in price). Besides having rather bulky 3-D heads on them, about the shortest ones I've seen were 30" long, so they wouldn't be particularly convenient to carry. Especially on a packed Tokyo subway at rush hour. ;) (For those who've not had the exquisite pleasure of riding one of those, think "human sardine can" times about 20.)

The rolling head pry bar is actually an automotive repair tool. OTC makes them in 6", 12", 16", 18" lengths and I believe Snap-On also makes them. Its configuration looks like it affords very good prying leverage for its easily packable size.

The CS shovel is cheap ($15-$20 range online), fairly compact and, having a fixed handle vs folding handle, has the same rigidity advantage over fold-up entrenching tools that a fixed-blade knife has over folders. Another reason to consider the CS (or other shovel) is that while you can improvise a shovel by using a slab of metal in your hands, it doesn't work very well because you lose the control and mechanical leverage offered by a shovel's handle. However, a shovel's utility in breaching doors may prove limited, especially if it has a folding handle (weak point at the mechanical joint).

Now if someone would just make Hooligan tools and CS/Spetsnaz type shovels (D-handled please) out of titanium at a reasonable price.... ;) :rolleyes: :D :D
 
cardimon said:
...why is a locking blade considered a must? I usually pack one of my Swiss Army tools, and most of them do not offer a locking blade.
Hi Cardimon, The motivation for a locking blade vs non-locking blade is simply the protection the locked blade offers against the blade closing on your fingers while you are gripping the handle.

We need to note that the writer was in an earthquake ravaged city, which is a VERY high-pressure situation where fine motor skills may well be deteriorated due to adrenaline, stress, or fatigue. In such a situation, a person may, without typical levels of thought and care, do things that they wouldn't normally do. Like handling a folder in a way that could collapse the blade on their fingers. Hence, the desire for a lock to help prevent finger/hand damage at a time when the consequences of an impaired or disabled hand would be greatly disasterous.

I much prefer fixed blades over any folder because the possiblity of the blade snapping shut on my fingers is basically zero. Nonetheless, I do carry a folder for convenient carry and sheeple friendliness. A fixed-blade is simply kept as close by as possible.
 
RokJok said:
Hi Cardimon, The motivation for a locking blade vs non-locking blade is simply the protection the locked blade offers against the blade closing on your fingers while you are gripping the handle.

Point taken.
 
Thanks for all the link RokJok, I will certainly look into the Ti stuff. As for the trains, no way man! Thats why I used to ride 40K a day on my bicycle. If there was an earthquake in the morning rush hour (07:00 - 09:00) I dont think anyone on the underground would survive. When you consider 35 million people commute in the Tokyo Metropolitan area per day the 14,000 figure the goverment put out looks kind of unlikely.
 
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