URGENT ACTION ALERT: Testimony Imperils NV Ban Repeal - CALL & WRITE!

[Critter]

[Post in General approved by Spark]

URGENT ACTION ALERT: Last Friday the Nevada Senate Judiciary Committee held a hearing on repealing knife bans in the state. Things didn't go smoothly due to testimony that bolstered law enforcement opposition to repealing the ban on dirks and daggers. For details see: http://bit.ly/1Cm8S8k)

We need your URGENT support to help get knife ban repeal passed in Nevada. Millions travel to Las Vegas every year, SO THIS IS OF CONCERN TO ALL OF US. Click this link to a model email and contacts: http://bit.ly/1NcduRK

 

[ron_m80]

"Can you tell me why,,,,,we know from the movies "tridents" can be very effective weapons,,,,why our bill doesn't contain any language pertaining to them?"

Just amazing.

 

[B34NS]

In the communication to represenatives, "The reality is that many common knives, including most kitchen knives, are just as potentially threatening to officers, and a lot cheaper and more readily accessible."

Is there a reason to use such a specific example of kitchen knives? It's not even from th US, it's a UK data point. Seems silly in a state with the highest percentage (28% - 2014) of its population employed by the Hospitality industry. Is there no better, more general example that addresses the concerns of local law enforcement and body armor? They didn't seem to mention kitchen knives, but specifically daggers. Just feel like it draws some negative thoughts towards those of us who carry knife rolls to work.

Plus I was able to go all the way back to the Ashcroft era and find plenty of USDOJ references to selection of body armor for these anticpated threats. Seems like that voids a lot of the dagger opposition from the police advocacy groups.

full text here: https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/189633.pdf

I'm a supporter of what you're doing to rid this corpus language from these laws, although I'm curious why the 2nd amendment thing? It seems oxymoronic to advocate freedom of use and collection of these edge tools and then vocally outburst that if that doesn't work we'll call them "arms" and take the gun stance? I'm just trying to understand before calling any represenative.

 

[stabman]

Plus I was able to go all the way back to the Ashcroft era and find plenty of USDOJ references to selection of body armor for these anticpated threats. Seems like that voids a lot of the dagger opposition from the police advocacy groups.

Yep, my anti-stab vest I got when working security came with a sample piece of material to test.
NONE of my knives (including daggers) or swords got through...I even tested it against a WW1 trench club with a spike, and it didn't get through either.

Of course, I didn't test it against a trident...

 

[22-rimfire]

Not to be argumentative, but I believe the reference to body armor relates to stabbing in areas that are not protected by armor like the arm pits or in days gone by, along the flex joints in metal armor. Body armor today only protects the vital torso area.

I listened to most of the linked video until I had to work. I did not hear anything that was particularly damaging to the knife rights cause. I may have missed or not gotten to the point where the advocate was agreeing that dirks and daggers were problematic. I view knives as tools, cutting tools, versus a self defense tool. Daggers have little value to me for anything other that self defense or if you take the opposite approach, attacking. I highly doubt that there would be an increase in crime or the severity of attacks if all knives were legalized in NV. Those that want them or carry them will do so regardless.

The trident thing was interesting.

 

[RX-79G]

I have been wondering who it was that gave "erroneous testimony from a knife industry representative". It seemed shocking that a knife company would send somebody to stick up for a knife ban. So I finally watched the video. He introduces himself at 33:40.

How is Chuck Calloway representing the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department a knife industry representative?

KLAS-TV Las Vegas says that Chuck Calloway an officer in the Las Vegas Police.



What is going on here?

 

[Critter]

I have been wondering who it was that gave "erroneous testimony from a knife industry representative". It seemed shocking that a knife company would send somebody to stick up for a knife ban. So I finally watched the video. He introduces himself at 33:40.

How is Chuck Calloway representing the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department a knife industry representative?

KLAS-TV Las Vegas says that Chuck Calloway an officer in the Las Vegas Police.

What is going on here?

I think you are confused. His testimony begins at approx 9:28, perhaps a few second later and he identifies himself at approx 9:43

 

[RX-79G]

I think you are confused. His testimony begins at approx 9:28, perhaps a few second later and he identifies himself at approx 9:43

I was confused! My apologies. I read this:

The inexplicable testimony of the knife industry representative starts at 9:28, his testimony on Dirks and Daggers begins at 13:39. The testimony of those who exploited the industry representative's testimony in support of not deleting dirks and daggers starts at 34:20 and again at 38:09. The powerful testimony of Knife Rights Director of Legislative Affairs Todd Rathner starts at 49:00.

and missed the first set of times.

The fellow that threw us under the bus was Daniel C. Lawson - the legal rep of AKTI.
http://www.akti.org/news/akti-appoints-daniel-c-lawson-legislative-consultant/

It sounds like Lawson wanted to make a point that daggers are no more dangerous than any other knife, but then suggested that daggers are body armor defeating. And he makes it sound like there is no good data about types of knives used in crime, which suggests that if there was, it might be damning to daggers and switchblades - even though that wasn't his intent.

He is a terrible spokesman for knives.

 

[B34NS]

Yep, my anti-stab vest I got when working security came with a sample piece of material to test.
NONE of my knives (including daggers) or swords got through...I even tested it against a WW1 trench club with a spike, and it didn't get through either.

Of course, I didn't test it against a trident...

That's too cool they give you a stab sample! Inspiring user confidence in a unique more interactive way. Of all people I'm surprised you don't have a trident.

 

[stabman]

That's too cool they give you a stab sample! Inspiring user confidence in a unique more interactive way. Of all people I'm surprised you don't have a trident.

I thought it was a very good idea; it proved to be more resistant than I thought it would.

You know, I think the next thing I make is going to have to be a trident.

 

[STAINLESS90]

Emails sent, I really hope this goes through as it directly affects me.