• The BladeForums.com 2024 Traditional Knife is ready to order! See this thread for details: https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/bladeforums-2024-traditional-knife.2003187/
    Price is $300 $250 ea (shipped within CONUS). If you live outside the US, I will contact you after your order for extra shipping charges.
    Order here: https://www.bladeforums.com/help/2024-traditional/ - Order as many as you like, we have plenty.

  • Today marks the 24th anniversary of 9/11. I pray that this nation does not forget the loss of lives from this horrible event. Yesterday conservative commentator Charlie Kirk was murdered, and I worry about what is to come. Please love one another and your family in these trying times - Spark

US Design, produced in China, Magnacut?

Status
Not open for further replies.
W

WedgeAntilles

Gold Member
Joined
Jan 25, 2020
Messages
774
Let's not get this thread shut down before it begins. I am not looking for politics or thoughts on Chinese made knives. I simply have a question.

I picked up a fantastic knife at Blade Show Atlanta this year. U.S. company, manufactured by Reate. (I'll leave their name out for now, just in case.)

The blade is stamped Magnacut, but I recently heard Magnacut cannot be imported to China, and a statement there are no Chinese manufactured blades in the steel. Is that accurate? Did I get lied to by the company, or was this a misunderstanding of something I read.

Again, honest question, not looking for opinions on Chinese manufacturing, just actual facts.
 
If I recall correctly, some MagnaCut was exported outside of the rules which led to notice being sent out to dealers that there would be repercussions if it continued...but again, it's best for the principals to provide any up to date info.
 
There have been several threads.
Here's one
S

Thread 'Magnacut from Bestech?'

Questions for anyone interested in answering, what does Bestech normally heat treat their Magnacut to? Optimal value would be 62.5, but we all know that isn't always the case.
  • Haha

Here's another
Hvactech

Thread 'Magnacut in Chinese knives'

I've been noticing several different knives manufactured in China lately with Magnacut blades. I thought I read when it first came on the scene that it wasn't going to be sold to Chinese manufacturers for first five years or something along those lines? I'm not trying to start a whole American vs Chinese knives in this thread so please keep the politics out of the discussion please. It honestly doesn't matter to me either way as I collect mostly American made knives, but I do own and enjoy my share of Asian made ones as well. I was just wondering if something has changed or if these...
  • Like

Here is the critical post from the second thread.
nsm said:
It appears there has been some unauthorized sales of MagnaCut steel, specifically involving Besttech at the Blade Show.
  1. Distribution Policy: MagnaCut is not currently being sold to any distributors in Asia. Crucible confiscated some MagnaCut knives from Besttech at the Blade Show because they violated the MagnaCut trademark. The knives tested were confirmed to be made from genuine MagnaCut.
  2. Unknown Source: It is unclear how Besttech or others have obtained the MagnaCut.
  3. Communication with Distributors: Discussions have been held with authorized distributors to reinforce the rules, emphasizing that any violations could jeopardize their ability to sell MagnaCut in the future.
Click to expand...
 
Been wondering about this too because i see them for sale in major retailers but felt like I couldn't ask any questions about it. If I remember correctly, knife makers from China purchased the magnacut steel from someone else who could legally buy it and was willing to break the rules for a profit, other hot topic question would be [why] cant Asia purchase magnacut?---
as mentioned above, those knives were tested and found to be legitimate magnacut and confiscated at a show, the [who] i dont know.
 
Last edited:
Just want to make a point...the decisions made between the principal parties, IMHO, are not our business nor do we have standing in the matter.

The fact that they have been willing to share information with us is something which should not be taken for granted. So, let's please keep that in mind.
 
Blues said:
Just want to make a point...the decisions made between the principal parties, IMHO, are not our business nor do we have standing in the matter.

The fact that they have been willing to share information with us is something which should not be taken for granted. So, let's please keep that in mind.
Click to expand...
I had no idea how big a can of worms this is. I'm not taking anything for granted here. I like the knife I got, and supporting a small American designer. I also was wondering if even unbeknownst to the designer, he was receiving/selling something inaccurate. The whole thing is a learning opportunity for me personally.
 
WedgeAntilles said:
I had no idea how big a can of worms this is. I'm not taking anything for granted here. I like the knife I got, and supporting a small American designer. I also was wondering if even unbeknownst to the designer, he was receiving/selling something inaccurate. The whole thing is a learning opportunity for me personally.
Click to expand...
Not referring to your post. It's a general statement to the BF community since it's been ongoing, and discussed, for some time now.
 
If Crucible was the only entity enforcing magnacut not being sold to Chinese manufacturers, I wonder if we'll see the Chinese buy and use magnacut secondhand now that Crucible is out of business...
 
This is a simple lesson of sales. Unless contractually obligated, once s omething is sold it can be re-sold again to any entity. The only recourse is what is stated above as to not sell distributors knowingly going against recommendations. The trademark protects against product not produced by the trademark holder. If it is legitmately the trademarked material it can be labeled as such by the end user as long as it is noted.

A similar situation exists with autos. Ford can't dictate that all used Fords be sold back to Ford dealers which is why you see used Fords being sold by Chevy dealers and vice versa. You can also buy a Ford in the US, ship it overseas and re-sell it all you want. Once Ford sells it to you their control ends.
 
Satrang said:
This is a simple lesson of sales. Unless contractually obligated, once s omething is sold it can be re-sold again to any entity. The only recourse is what is stated above as to not sell distributors knowingly going against recommendations. The trademark protects against product not produced by the trademark holder. If it is legitmately the trademarked material it can be labeled as such by the end user as long as it is noted.

A similar situation exists with autos. Ford can't dictate that all used Fords be sold back to Ford dealers which is why you see used Fords being sold by Chevy dealers and vice versa. You can also buy a Ford in the US, ship it overseas and re-sell it all you want. Once Ford sells it to you their control ends.
Click to expand...
Makers and manufacturers further retain their control in other ways, such as implementing MAP pricing, even if they can't control the 'thing' itself, going back on topic, MagnaCut is likely an exception, there is probably a reason [why] Asia isn't allowed ro purchase it, we just aren't privy to the reason
 
There are two legal issues:

1) steel export control via sales contract, or otherwise (e.g., government)
2) the Magnacut trademark on the blade. Which is why Bestech apparently uses “M-CUT” now :(

Roland.
 
Based on recent a knifecenter video, I understood that , the raw materials were always Swedish and now the recipe for magnacut is also owned? by a Swedish company, who can make it anywhere.
I may have misunderstood something there

With the new import tax on steel (raw material) it may not be viable to make it in the US currently, anyway.
 
Tsujigiri said:
If Crucible was the only entity enforcing magnacut not being sold to Chinese manufacturers, I wonder if we'll see the Chinese buy and use magnacut secondhand now that Crucible is out of business...
Click to expand...
Since Magnacut is no longer manufactured in the USA I feel sure that different rules and criteria will apply.
 
I think it’s awesome they’re trying to keep magnacut out of china! American knife makers need every and any advantage they can get.

Also, this “American designer” that has their knife design made by Chinese manufacturers is the exact business model I despise. I’d love to know who the op is referring too and the price being paid for a Chinese made knife. It would be unfortunate if it’s directly competing with the midtech American market.

Sorry, just had to get it off my chest. I’ll see my way out.
 
ShaiHulud said:
Been wondering about this too because i see them for sale in major retailers but felt like I couldn't ask any questions about it. If I remember correctly, knife makers from China purchased the magnacut steel from someone else who could legally buy it and was willing to break the rules for a profit, other hot topic question would be [why] cant Asia purchase magnacut?---
as mentioned above, those knives were tested and found to be legitimate magnacut and confiscated at a show, the [who] i dont know.
Click to expand...
I think most Asian companies can purchase Magnacut. China can’t.
 
Whether or not the Chinese manufacturers obtained Magnacut through a third party, I’d bet a shiny nickel it was obtained through obscurity or deceit. I’ve no proof and nothing to back it up but that’s my assumption. I know where I stand on them.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top