USA/Canada Mail Border Procedures

HJK

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I'm getting sick and tired of mail sent from the USA to Canada being delayed or lost at the border. Noone knows where it goes or how to track it and noone is accountible. That's ridiculous. I know, I know, there are other trackable, insurable ways of doing it, but what if someone sends it USPS anyway?
Does anyone know the actual physical route a package takes? Is there an actual Customs clearing house? Does it go to a special room at Canada Post and is it a Canada Post guy or an Excise guy who looks at it? Is there an actual procedure at Post or Customs for tracking, no matter what they tell you? A lost and found box? Or do they just have a raffle on Fridays?

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That is one of the reasons why we don't ship to Canada anymore. Well that and the Baldwin, Terrance and Phillip thing
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It is getting to where it is not worth the hassle of shipping anything outside the US. I have even stopped my exporting at the wholesale level.

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HJK, I know where you're coming from. However, I've been lucky and haven't had anything lost. I don't know the actual route that a package takes, but I know it has to pass through Canada Customs before it continues on it's way. Customs can open anything they like, they can send it back, or they can seize it. Technically, if they seize something they have to notify you, but I don't think that happens much. The best advice that I can give is to have the package sent up as plainly as possible and to have ALL your contact information in. Know when it was shipped and when you should receive it. If it's long past due, start making phone calls. If it has been stopped at the border, attempting to track it down may start it moving again. Complaining really works!
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Hey Guys...

Just to sound in here,,because this effects me a little...

I have knives as well as other things shipped to and fro on a daily basis.

The Only thing I have to complain about is the speed.

Nothing has Ever been lost, Stolen or misplaced coming to or from me.

I ask everyone to insure their shipment to me, and I do the same thing in return.

I have talked to RCMP officials as well as Canada and US Customs about parcels going to and from Canada, and I'am assured that as long as it is Not Illegal in Canada there will be Absolutely No problem.

With the amount of knives and material I have been getting on one has been opened,,which was a video cassette.

Most things passing through custom's hand is X-rayed. As long as the packing slip matches what the guy on the screen is seeing it will not even be touched.

I believe everything that comes into Canada hits Toronto,,at least for my area anyway...

In the 14 years I've been doing daily International transactions I have had only one parcel get put on the wrong truck and spent the weekend in Toronto, it was delivered the next monday.

Maybe it's because they know me,, I don't know,,but I have Nothing bad to say about them other than the speed of which things travel...

ttyle Eric...

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On October 8, 1999 a knife was sent from Ontario to Pennsylvania. I received an opened package on the 19th-the end of the package had been cut and it was obviously empty. Next to the postmark was a large customs stamp declaring contents of USA Made Hunting Knife, Value $800 (Cdn). I have been waiting form 6 months now; I still keep calling the Postal Inspector every couple of weeks. It was insured, but somehow they still can't seem to get the insurance claim "processed".

Needless to say, I will never buy anything from Canada again; the likelihood of getting ripped off, then ignored by the Canadian Postal Service is just too great.
 
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HJK,

About a month ago in the Toronto Star, I read an article in the Greater Toronto section that said all parcels/packages coming into Canada (or Toronto, I can't remember) were first stopped in Mississauga. They were inspected there then sent off to their actual destination. Apparently tons of stuff is x-rayed and opened there. They were talking about finding drugs in many packages. Videotapes are also checked apparently because of kiddie porn. They go through a great deal of videotapes to check for stuff like that. Hope this sheds some light on the subject.

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Ok, I just went to the Toronto Star website to search for the article and happened to find it. It's a bit over a month old though (Dec 23, 99). I'll post it here for fear that the link may get removed from their site someday:
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Customs' first-class snoops take a sneak peek at the mail
Somewhere in Mississauga, `Inspector Green' and crew watch for drugs and dirt


By Bob Mitchell
Peel/Halton Bureau Chief
Getting that rum-soaked Christmas pudding from your aunt in Jamaica might have been a big surprise for you.

But you weren't the first person to see it. Days before the parcel was delivered to your door, Canada Customs knew it was coming to you.

You see, your aunt just happens to live in a country that Canadian authorities keep tabs on - not just as to travellers, but also mail.

Same thing with that videotape from your cousin's wedding in Japan. If you noticed the box had been opened before you received it, chances are customs officers thought the wedding was just a ruse for a reel of pornography.

It's common knowledge that Canada Customs officers at Pearson International Airport routinely target aircraft and passengers arriving from countries considered to be drug sources, such as parts of the Caribbean, South America, Europe, Africa and the Far East.

But few realize that international mail entering Canada from these countries also is targeted for inspection, for everything from drugs and pornography to unpaid duty and tax.

This year, 2 million to 3 million pieces of mail that passed through Toronto were sniffed, felt and even opened - and most recipients probably have no idea their parcels were examined.

``We know these (countries) are high risk,'' says Bob Burfield, manager of the international mail centre. ``Our intelligence information tells us that these are good countries for us to spend a little time looking at the mail that comes in from them.''

The sleuthing begins at the international mail centre, a nondescript building in a Mississauga industrial area. Canada Post and Canada Customs share the vast space, the exact location of which is kept secret.

All international parcels entering Toronto pass through here, as well as envelopes from high-risk countries. Canada Post presents them to customs inspectors. When an envelope arouses suspicion, inspectors weigh it to see if it meets requirements for opening without consent.

An envelope of more than 30 grams can be opened on the spot. Any less, and the person to whom it's addressed must be notified and asked for permission to open it.

Even without that permission, customs inspectors can, and often do, put the envelope through the X-ray scanner.

``Thousands of parcels and mail are checked every day,'' says Canada Customs spokes person Duncan Smith. ``The mail goes through a screening process, the same as passengers do at the airport, except you can't ask the boxes any questions.''

Burfield says about 20 per cent of the 15 million parcels and envelopes that pass through the Mississauga plant each year are closely examined. This year, more than 150 parcels and envelopes containing more than $911,000 worth of narcotics have been seized. The drugs were smuggled inside cards, toys, clothing, hollowed-out videotapes and books.

Some 1,500 pieces of mail containing pornographic videotapes, pictures and magazines have been intercepted.

Each month, customs inspectors working in the plant are given a list of about a dozen countries of origin to be watched. Among those routinely targeted are Jamaica, Bolivia, Korea, Peru, Brazil and Colombia and various East African countries.

``We highlight a specific country and do a concentrated effort on mail coming from these countries for a certain period of time,'' Burfield says. ``We can't watch them all. We rotate from South American countries to European and sometimes the United States for two or three weeks at a time, then switch to other countries.''

Recently, targeted surveillance led to the arrest of three Mississauga men in connection with drug imports. The six-month probe, which also involved the RCMP and Immigration Canada, led investigators to 850 grams of cocaine worth more than $125,000.

Investigators say the cocaine was sent in nondescript envelopes by post from Brazil and Colombia, to addresses in Mississauga, Toronto, Brampton, Milton and Burlington.

On this day in the plant, a large cardboard box that was said to contain spices drew special attention. Something just didn't seem right, and when the customs inspector ran it through the scanner, his gut feeling was dead on.

The box was filled with khat, a leafy green stimulant grown in East Africa - legal in many parts of the world, but not here.

``We find a lot of this stuff,'' says the customs inspector, who, like most officers at this plant, goes by the name of Inspector Green.

The box of khat, sent from a Swiss address, was rewrapped and put aside for the RCMP, who will decide whether to pursue criminal charges.

``To get a conviction, you have to have possession, knowledge and consent, and a lot of the people who are supposed to receive items such as narcotics and pornography often claim they had no knowledge it was being sent to them,'' Smith says.

Often, parcels are shipped through several countries before they reach the destination.

``They'll try their best to disguise the source country. But our inspectors are pretty good at what they do,'' Burfield says.

The amount of drugs seized from mail is small potatoes compared with the more than $160 million worth of narcotics found hidden on airplanes and passengers at Pearson airport this year.

On this day, another Inspector Green handled a small parcel, this time from Hong Kong, that contained small pieces of jewelry wrapped in plastic bags, complete with price tags.

``Obviously, whoever was getting these so-called Christmas gifts (was) planning on re-selling them,'' Green said.

On a rotating basis, one inspector sits in a room scanning suspicious videotapes, on the lookout for child pornography, bondage or bestiality. Tapes flagged as questionable are sent on to a prohibited-import specialist, who determines whether they'll be seized.

Customs officers aren't often surprised by what they find - including unique smuggling methods, like last year's 2 1/2-foot doll loaded with Ecstasy.

Inspectors ``see the same stuff every year,'' Burfield says. ``They can spot a legitimate Christmas gift.''


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