USA made Civilian in 440v?

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Mr. Glesser,

I have serched the forum to find all I can about the Civilian. It's nice and I am surely getting one, but I'd like get a US produced model in 440v with G-10. Is this a possibility anytime soon. I have heard it is now being produced in ats-55 in aluminum with kraton grips. Is this one manufactured in the US?
Thanks for your time.
Nick
 
Nick - We have no plans to make the Civilian in the US facility.

The G10 version with a "regular" steel clip will the model retained. The aluminum version with the kraton inserts will be discontinued.

The "regular" steel clip will be replaced by a "purpose built" clip designed to accomodate the G10 Police and G10 Civilian. Both models will use this clip. The clip is designed to expose the pivot like the Military clip.

We've used Gin 1 and ATS55 on this model. We may try other steels in the future, but 440V is not likely.
sal
 
Nick - We have no plans to make the Civilian in the US facility.

The G10 version with a "regular" steel clip will the model retained. The aluminum version with the kraton inserts will be discontinued.

The "regular" steel clip will be replaced by a "purpose built" clip designed to accomodate the G10 Police and G10 Civilian. Both models will use this clip. The clip is designed to expose the pivot like the Military clip.

We've used Gin 1 and ATS55 on this model. We may try other steels in the future, but 440V is not likely.
sal
 
Good call! The way I see it, edge retention is not a concern on a defensive knife because it is only going to see one or two strikes before its job is done and it can be sharpened again (same is true for "fighting" knives). What matters is the ability to take a razor edge easily and to resist shocks and forces by bending, not breaking. Gin-1 was a great steel for the Civilian, and I hope ATS-55 has some of the same properties. I don't know strength performance on 440V, but if it's anything like non-particle steels in that hardness range, it sounds like it places edge retention over flexibility and resisitance to chipping.

I suffered a mishap with my Civilian once; I dropped it during some of my very first opening drills, and it landed on the blade spine closed. An unfortunate feature of the design is that this causes the point to ram into the metal spacer when the blade "over-closes." It looked pretty bad, all twisted up for most of the hooked section. Luckily, due to the flexibility of the steel, I was able to straighten it and lose only about 1/16" of tip, which was then beautifully reground by Spyderco so you really cannot tell. I'm convinced from seeing similar damage to Benchmades that if the knife were in ATS-34 it would now be a chisel-pointed Civilian.

Thrilled to hear about the new clips. That kraton clip was never very good on the draw, but was a step in the right direction in terms of comfort! It made me sad to see a totally plain clip on the G-10 models. Just one more reason I may need a G-10 Police model, I guess...

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-Corduroy
(Why else would a bear want a pocket?)
 
Sal,

When will the clips on the Civilians and Police Model change? Will need to know for fit of sheaths. You guys are keeping me on my toes. Fun!

Mike
 
Mike - The new clips will be phasing into production by the end of the year.

Depends on how many pieces are in the system. If the scales and liners have already been drilled for the curent clip, they they will come out that way. At Spyderco, model changes are constant. Our Crew and Vendors exhibit great tolerance with R & D for our many refinements. Their patience is appreciated. I realize this is a pain in the butt for guys like yourself that are trying to keep in sync. periodically check with Spyderco. Probably Susan will be the first to know.
sal
 
Sal,

One of the many things I love about Spyderco is that you don't rest on your laurels. Always refining product and coming up with new must haves. Keeping up is fun though - I just found out about the change in Delica 98 clips a couple of weeks ago. See you at the Blade Show.

Mike
 
Sak,

I got the aluminum civilian and it is all aces. I read that you are changeing the clip on the g-10 version to fit around the pivot.
Is the pivot on the g-10 model going to be as big as on the Military, or the same as on the aluminum model?
thanks,
Nick
 
Nick - similar to the Military, black, 3 point fastening, with a hole for the pivot. We'll use the same clip on the G10 Police.
sal
 
Sal,

Sorry, but I miss-wrote my question about the pivot, I was in a hurry. What I meant to ask was if the pivot was going to have the adjustable [allen or torid (spelling?)screw] like on the military?
Thanks,
Nick
 
Nick - The pivot will be removable. I guess you could do some adjusting but the Military is a linerlock and requires a fore/aft adjustment that the Police or Civilian will not need.
sal
 
I have a question regarding the G-10 Civilian...I have (in my pocket) the G-10 with GIN-1steel blade. Were there many of these produced, or am I risking damage/loss of a fairly scarce version?

Either way, I'm gonna have to get the ATS-55 blade model (as well as another alum handled Civilian, now)
Brian
 
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