USA Schrade lb7 vs Buck pre Bos Heat Treat 110

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I know that Schrade used 440A and 420HC steel in their Lb7, 6Ot and some 7Ot knives. I don't know of any way to tell if a particular knife is 420hc or 440A. and not sure if there is much difference. My question is would there be any difference in Schrade plus steel and pre Boe Buck 420HC. What do you think Frank and others?
 
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I don't think you would notice a difference in real world practical use. I prefer the LB7, but not because of steel. As far as scientifically testing them, I do not know.
 
I know that Schrade used 440A and 420HC steel in their Lb7, 6Ot and some 7Ot knives. I don't know of any way to tell if a particular knife is 420hc or 440A. and not sure if there is much difference. My question is would there be any difference in Schrade plus steel and pre Boe Buck 420HC. What do you think Frank and others?


no such animal as Pre-Bos Buck 420HC.

Bryan, thanks for your visit and welcome.
Paul was working for Buck in the 60's doing heat treating. All knives received his treatment. Buck began using 425M steel in 1981 with a fuller hollow grind. Yes, it received Mr. Boss's care. Then Buck moved to 420HC steel in 1994 and yes this steel received the same treatment. Before these dates Buck used 440C steel and yes Mr. Boss did most of that heat treating as well.
Mr. Boss has since retired from Buck some time in 2011 and Paul Farner took over that department. As he apprenticed under Paul Boss for several years. DM

If memory serves, Schrade+ was 440A until the late 90's.
So if you can date the knife to pre-95, it is likely 440A.
I do not know of a non destructive method of differentiating between the two alloys. (and I'm not altogether certain I know of a destructive method, either.)

Prior to 420HC, Buck used 425M for their products. I've never tested a Buck blade in 425M.
I believe Buck brought the 300 line in-house in 1985. Prior to that, they were made by Camillus in 440A. I have my old Camillus 303, but have never done a side by side comparison to Buck 420HC.
 
Frank when I posted I couldn't remember off hand when Buck went from 425M to 420Hc. Would you say Schrades 440A and 420HC was as good as Buck 425M?
 
Remember, Buck only used 425M for a relatively short period of time. They used 440C before that for a much longer period of time.

I would put Schrade's 440A squarely between Buck's 420HC and their older 440C in terms of toothiness.
 
no data to share. I never had one of the Buck 425M knives.
 
I have an old '4-dot' Buck 112 in 425M. I haven't noticed anything particularly distinctive about the steel, as compared to newer 420HC blades from Buck. I have heard some mention from one of the Buck experts here on BF, that some of Buck's 425M blades might've had 'inclusions' in the steel, i.e., some impurities of some sort, which sometimes affected their ability to sharpen up to a fine edge (inclusions break/fracture out). That might've had something to do with why they didn't stick with this steel very long, in their knives. However, I haven't seen anything specific to indicate that's happened with my 112, which seems to sharpen up OK.

I think the thing to consider most, in comparing Buck's older blades versus modern ones in 420HC, is the grind of the blade itself. Buck's older blades in 440C and 425M had thicker grinds near the edge. Gettting them to cut & slice effortlessly involves a lot of thinning out; I've done this with two of mine, including an old '2-dot' in 440C and the 4-dot in 425M. Since about ~ 2000 or so, Buck has adopted a new spec for their blade/edge grinds; I think it's called 'Edge2000' or something to that effect. They've thinned it out, both behind and at the edge to a target spec of 26°-32° inclusive, which has greatly improved cutting performance. To me, that's had the greater impact on the attractiveness of their blades, versus their steel type or even the heat treat. They come very sharp out of the box, and are much, much easier to maintain sharp, thanks to the improved grind.


David
 
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