Using others names.

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It might be interesting to collect knives made by one company under another company's name. The practice is very common in the knife industry. Here are a few:

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The stockman at the top says New York Knife but was actually made by Schrade long after NYK went out of business. The Barlow on the left, of course, is Schatt & Morgan but made by Queen Cutlery not long ago. The one on the right is a Cripple Creek made by Blackjack. The big congress says John Primble on the tang but was made recently by Bluegrass Cutlery. Next to it is a Winchester congress made by the same company. The small congress at the lower left is a C Platts made just this year by Case. The little pearl congress next to it is another Case product but is stamped Crandall Cutlery. Actually, Case spent quite a while and went through a lot of effort to acquire its competitors in Eastern Pennsylvania - companies like Crandall. One popular technique was to have one of the Case women marry a principal of the competitor. So you can find Case knives with the names of nearly every knife manufacturer that ever did business in Eastern Pennsylvania somewhere in the company's history.

If you have some knives that were made under another company's name, show us or tell us about them. I think it makes an interesting subject. Take care.
 
Just to illustrate...sometimes there are TWO companies "in between"...

The Cripple Creek barlow was sold by Blackjack but was made by Queen....

The Primble congress and the Winchester were sold by Bluegrass but were made by Queen....

The Crandall pearl congress was made in the Olbertz factory in Solingen (same factory that makes Bulldog Brand)....Jim Parker had them made during the years that he owned the Crandall trademark (prior to selling the TM back to Case).
 
I think that's part of the collectibility of old slips-finding out who/where it was made, which may have nothing to do with the brand it's sold under. Queen seems to be the biggest, or maybe camillus on this modern age.
 
rev_jch said:
Actually the primbles 1985-present are made by utica for bluegrass.


Well, that is partially true....Utica makes quite a few of them, Queen made a huge run in 1995.....200 each of 36 different knives, actually 18 patterns each with a bone color and a celluloid color. Queen may have made some more of them recently but not sure.

And as you point out, Utica has made a bunch of them, including some 4 blade stockmans and some bone handle barlows.

Now Camillus is making some....and a lot are being made in China.

Hard to keep track of it all!!
 
Actually I stand corrected. Ive now been "educated".

I spoke with someone (there) and they have been making there own knives since 85. Not anyone else. I was also told to beware of many of these chinese primbles as many of them are not authorized.

camillus, utica, schrade, etc. has not made in in many years for them.

I was also told that they make all their own winchesters, that queen has not made them for them.
 
rev,

JMO, but I don't think that person is being completely honest with you.

S & D Enterprises (Scott...and Dorton of Bulldog fame) have been marketing Blue Grass knives for quite awhile. Maybe someone else can expound on the history. I don't believe that they (Blue Grass) have a manufacturing facility... :rolleyes:
I think they are in an office, but that they just market knives.
More power to them for the success they've had.
Don't know about the recent Chinese stuff. (Gerber/Fiskars??)
I'm not sure about all the knives, but I know Queen made/makes a large percentage of their knives, from discussions with KnifeWorld folks and on the various forums with other knowledgeable knife people like Bernard Levine. Even my 1997 20th Anniversary KnifeWorld knife by Blue Grass, was made by Queen.

It doesn't really matter, if the quality is good.....but, it is a bit confusing. :confused:

Bill
 
I have one knife with a stamp reading Buhl & Sons Detroit Michigan. I am about 90% sure it is made by Winchester but if Anyone can tell me more I would really appreciate it.
 
Buhl and Sons....intersting and a very rare brand.

There was a detailed article in KNIFE WORLD last month about Buhl Hardware and their knives. Winchester was not mentioned IIRC, but it is possible although I do not believe that Winchester was very active making contract knives.
 
hmmmm..this person told me that they helped teach queen to make knives. But that did not make sense considering how long queen has been around.
 
Thanks for the info about the Buhl article. Does anyone happen to know who made contract knives for Clauss? I have two and they look like Case patterns but the ID numbers are only 2 digits, a characteristic found mostly in Shatt & Morgan or Queen knives, and never in a Case.
 
Case made the majority of CLAUSS knives...they are easy to tell because the patterns and handle materials are identical to CASE knives...however the pattern numbers could still be different...since they were made special for CLAUSS, the pattern numbers could have been unique to the Clauss company.

To the best of my knowledge and from what I have seen, Queen City and Robeson also made CLAUSS marked knives. I have a CLAUSS stockman that was definitely made by Queen City.
 
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