Using Plaster as Casting Mold

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Have any of you tried this? I haven't yet and wanted to know if it's a definite no no...doing Brass hilt/pommel castings. I've got a huge bag of Plaster of Paris I acquired somewhere along the line and am thinking of uses for it.
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Plaster of Paris will work for castings, but I know of a much better use than for knife hilts. If somebody brings you a sterling silver coffee urn with a handle broken off and in need of silver soldering back in place, apply a mold to the handle leaving just the joint exposed. As the handle has less mass, it will run just when you get the body up to silver brazing heat, but the mold will retain its shape until it cools. I dunno why, but every in-law and outlaw you have will decend on you with a metalworking problem because of an incorrect assumption of what it is you really do in your shop until all hours of the night.
 
Gold- and silversmiths used to use the backbones of sqids (the white stuff you use to find on beaches) to make molds for gold, silver, copper and bronze. It is basically the same stuff. You can carve it or, if you have got an original you want to copy, just press it in. Don't forget to make some side openings to get the air out while casting.

Achim
 
This is something that I've been meaning to try soon, actually. It should work, but you have to be careful to bake out all the water first, and pour not long after that. It's also suggested in the book that I have on it to pack it in sand for the pour just in case of a steam explosion, and to maintain structural integrity. If I can manage to make a couple of better ladles, I'll let you know how it works.

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Oz

"When your work speaks for itself, don't interrupt."
- Henry J. Kaiser
 
Thanks guys.
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Keep me posted as to how it goes....it may be a while before I get to start, gotta get ahold of casting stuff (you know, crucibles, tongs, etc.)

My email is parityerror@computerden.net. Thanks again!
 
Guys, be very carefull using anything containing water when you are casting metals. you go and pour 1600 degree bronze into a mold with a little too much moisture in it and the steam can push it right back out the way it went in.

When I was in college I taught a class on metal casting and sculpture where we used the lost wax proccess to cast peices in bronze, silver, and gold.

We used a product that was similar to plaster but didnt retain moisture called casting investment you poured this around your wax model and put it all in a vaccum bell to remove all air bubbles that can cause your mold to crack when sudenly heated too. This was dried overnight and the next day while the metal was melting in the furnace you fired the mold in a kiln, this vaporizes the wax model and also removes all the water from the plaster like substance. You heated your mold up to 2000 degrees! when it hit 2000 you turned the kiln off and let it cool, for bronze your mold should be at 900 degrees when you pour your 1600 degree bronze in to get best results, shrinkage ect. The coolest part was removing the mold, when all red glow was gone from the mold you just dunk the who;e thing in a bucket of water and slosh it around, the plaster substance boils off and leaves you with whatever mold you carved in the wax...

I would be very careful using plaster of paris due to the amount of moisture still in the dried plaster, last thing you need is molten metal flying around...

One thing you could cast in plaster is casting pewter, I have seen molds made of masking tape used to cast a pewter ferrul around the tang of a knife, also designs cut in wood can be cast in the pewter, it only takes 600-700 degrees to melt it and you can use rather ordinary tools and such.

If you need any more info or ideas just email me and I will help you in any way I can..

Alan...

alanfolts@sprintmail.com
 
Would you happen to know where I could get some investment plaster? I've been having quite a time with that. I know where I can get casting sand, for a pretty high price, but for the detail that I'd like to get, investment would be the way to go. The warning is greatly appreciated. I believe I can manage 900 degrees for my mold easily enough.

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Oz

"When your work speaks for itself, don't interrupt."
- Henry J. Kaiser


[This message has been edited by Osbourn (edited 15 October 1999).]
 
Oz I would try Rio Grande out of Albuquerque..

1-800-545-6566

I have used their brand of casting investment with very good results, plus they can sedn ya a catalog with lots of good products and stuff including books about casting and such to help ya along the way...

Alan...
 
It's funny that you reccomend them, since I just got their catalog today. Thanks.

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Oz

"When your work speaks for itself, don't interrupt."
- Henry J. Kaiser
 
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