Utica NY Made Genuine 1950's Schrades

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I've been seeing a lot of these listed on Ebay lately, and wondered if anyone knows when and who is making them. The seller is convinced they are "genuine". Kind of like a "If they are not genuine, then I just got ripped off for 10 bucks attitude."

They appear to have the original plastic tubes. Complete with a 1950's bar code, so it is clear Schrade was more advanced at the Utica plant than they were in Walden. ;)

Just wanting to warn potential buyers. There are quite a few of these out there from a couple of sellers. They might even be nice knives, but not pre 1973 Waldens. Mostly showing up know in Yellow Delrin and Green Worm Groove Bone. They have different pattern numbers. Many go unbid on, but I've seen quite a few get suckered in.

Curious if any of you guys know who makes them. These kind of knock offs really irritate me, when they mock the old tang stamps and packaging. More so the guys who represent them as the old originals.:thumbdn:
 
DaveT63 said:
I have recently bought a couple Limited Edition LB7s commemorating the Army and the Navy. One side of the handle has "IF YOU LOVE YOUR FREEDOM, THANK A VET" engraved, the other side had "U.S. NAVY" or "U.S. ARMY" engraved. The blade is etched with "Limited Edition" and has the service seal etched on it also. Can I assume these were part of a set to commemorate all the services? Being a retired Marine, I'd love to find a Marine Corps LB7. For that matter, I'd love to complete the set and find the Air Force, and presumably Coast Guard too.

Any information anybody can give me would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Dave
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Dave when your post is irrelevant to the thread's question, you are hijacking the thread! Have the courtesy to start your own; then you will have a better chance to get an answer. I mean this in a friendly informative way.

To the original question from thawk; it looks like those legendary barrels of parts are getting around! It's a damn shame!
 
I apologize, no hijacking was intended! I actually meant to reply to the original thread and then post my own thread. But had a disturbance outside after opening the reply box, and when I got back, for some reason thought I had already started my own thread.

I will do that now, and again, I'm sorry, it was unintentional.

Dave
 
Back to the original question...
I seem to recall some of these were made by camillus after schrade closed. Only the packaging is old. I thought SMKW was somehow involved. I remember the etch was the tip-off that the actual knife was new... This particular one does not look like one of the camillus models, so maybe bear is making them. They are definitely making some wood- and bone-handled "waldens". Here is a link:
http://www.eknifeworks.com/webapp/e...hText=walden&Mode=Text&range=11&SKU=SCW11897Y
Also search for "walden" at the same site to see what I mean about the bear models.

Dave
 
DaveT63 said:
I apologize, no hijacking was intended! I actually meant to reply to the original thread and then post my own thread. But had a disturbance outside after opening the reply box, and when I got back, for some reason thought I had already started my own thread.

I will do that now, and again, I'm sorry, it was unintentional.

Dave
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That's OK. No harm no foul
 
waynorth said:
Dave when your post is irrelevant to the thread's question, you are hijacking the thread! Have the courtesy to start your own; then you will have a better chance to get an answer. I mean this in a friendly informative way.

To the original question from thawk; it looks like those legendary barrels of parts are getting around! It's a damn shame!
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I don't think these are made from barrels of parts. Even the tubes and inserts appear to be new. I think Taylor is contracting someone in the US to mimic the old Waldens.
 
dlk said:
Back to the original question...
I seem to recall some of these were made by camillus after schrade closed. Only the packaging is old. I thought SMKW was somehow involved. I remember the etch was the tip-off that the actual knife was new... This particular one does not look like one of the camillus models, so maybe bear is making them. They are definitely making some wood- and bone-handled "waldens". Here is a link:
http://www.eknifeworks.com/webapp/e...hText=walden&Mode=Text&range=11&SKU=SCW11897Y
Also search for "walden" at the same site to see what I mean about the bear models.

Dave
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These are definitely the ones. Only two in the Walden Tubes, and I've seen the yellow ones for a while. Good grief SMKW has over 100 patterns of Taylor Schrades.
 
$24.99. Made in U.S.A. All new parts.
It's hard to believe. Maybe they have slaves locked up in the factory!!??
I'm tempted to buy one to see what they are doing. I wonder if the parts are made in a third world country? Would they admit it?? I will ask!!
 
I have politely requested a guarantee that all parts and processes are from the U.S.A. I will post SMKW's reply, and I will request the same of Taylor.
 
It might also be worth checking out www.bearandsoncutlery.com, too. They say they do it all in-house. You can see the similarity to the walden paterns. Also, FWIW, it looks like they are doing the annual remington repros. I have often wondered why bear is not mentioned more in this forum.

Dave
 
My request for information from Smokey Mountain Knife Works, about guaranteeing "All U.S." manufacture of "Waldens" was forwarded to Stewart Taylor by SMKW. His response is here.


Your email question was forwarded to my email address. Taylor Brands has made a licensing agreement with Smoky Mountain Knife Works to use several brands names that fall in the Schrade category. The Schrade Walden brand is to be made in the United States. About one year ago Smoky Mountain was interested in creating a much larger selection of USA made products for the consumer and collector. At that time we loaned to a US manufacturing company many sets of dies and tooling for this project. I am under the assumption that these USA made Schrade Walden’s are being made in this factory.



For more information please contact Smoky Mountain Knife Works.



Sincerely,


Stewart Taylor


I believe he was courteous to respond. He apparently loaned the tooling to SMKW. It is up to Smoky to guarantee the parts and labor, so I will go back to them!
 
Everything I have heard about Stewart Taylor has been positive.
The fact that he answered a e-mail from one of us knife knutts says a lot.
We may not like his products but he seems to be an honest man.
 
Smoky is not a manufacturer. The manufacturers were Camillus, Bear & Son, and possibly the factory in Pennsylvania...Great Eastern? But...Utica New York. Who is that? UTICA and KUTMASTER 820 Noyes Street, Utica, New York. Whoever it is is producing SFO knives for SMKW under the TBBLC license to the trademarks and with tooling owned by TBLLC.
 
Mr. Taylor's reply!

Dear Mr. Campagna:



In the knife business rumors are always prevalent. However, in this case I can tell you that the company that is using my tooling is not Bear. However, I have the understanding that Bear has been and will be a sub-contractor for products.



About a year ago Richard Joswick, the Vice President for Utica Cutlery visited with me at our corporate headquarters, at that time Mr. Joswick picked many knife patterns that they wanted to produce for Smokey Mountain Knife Works. A couple of weeks after his visit we shipped to New York several large shipments of dies and tooling.



I hope that my answers to your questions have been of benefit. It is always a pleasure to hear from knife collectors and especially from a fellow history enthusiast. On that note, it might be of interest to you that there will be a new collector’s book on Schrade Knives in the very near future. I made the decision several months ago to back this project by Bruce Voyles of Chattanooga, Tennessee. Mr. Voyles hopes to have the book published in the early part of 2008.



Sincerely





Stewart Taylor



Again, I read a sincere effort to answer direct questions, and thanked him accordingly. I could have asked more questions, but I think I will more appropriately focus on SMKW, and Utica next.
 
Well that explains why I keep seeing Schrade-Waldens from a particular seller with "only 1500 made" in his titles. I just figured it was some of the usual false hype, but I guess not. Folks who are selling these knives should really explain that they're new limited edition SFO's made in USA for SMKW. Even though they're new Schrades, They'd probably find a more responsive market.

Eric
 
Have recently come into a small 2-bladed pocket knife with Kutmaster on the largest blade and Utica NY then USA under that. Appears to have genuine bone handle. Can find no other markings on it. Can someone provide some info on it or where I might find some info.

Thanks.
 
bubba big boy said:
Have recently come into a small 2-bladed pocket knife with Kutmaster on the largest blade and Utica NY then USA under that. Appears to have genuine bone handle. Can find no other markings on it. Can someone provide some info on it or where I might find some info.

Thanks.
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A picture would help, but the Kutmasters made by Utica Cutlery are an old brand made out of Utica NY. I believe they are still in business.
 
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