Vacuum pumps for stabilizing stuff...

Looks just like the one I use and it works pretty good for a poor mans way to do it . Mine came from an auto parts store for about $20 . Wasn`t my idea though . I think I got the idea from T J SMITH awhile back on this forum .
Larry
 
I found a used vacuum pump on a used pump and motors shop !
I think that a electric vacuum are more pratical but the hand
vacuum pump can work...

There a picture of my setup !
The masson jar is to prevent the liquid from going to the pump if a overflow
occur and the masson jar is immersed in water and ice to condense the
vapors...

vacuum.jpg


Alain M-D
http://www.amd.miville-deschenes.com
 
Hey Alain,

I don't mean to hijack this thread, but I just had to make a quick comment. I followed the link to your website from your post, and I must say that is one of the (if not THE) best knifemakers websites I think I've ever seen. Very very well done...the knives are great too!, but I was in awe of the website as well! :)

-Darren
 
Darren ! Thanks for your goods comments !
I have worked for one year on this site, I changed it several times before
to have even finished it... I am in a hurry to be able to make knives with
as much facility than I make a Web site! It is that my real job (Web designer
and photographer)...

As I say it in bottom of my post in the Galery forum I work on a english version...
And I would like to put informations, help and tutorial for beginner (like me
there are one year ago)...

Alain Miville-Deschênes
http://www.amd.miville-deschenes.com
 
Alain,
Did you do anything to the pressure cooker to make it seal for vacuum? The few I have seen didn't look like they would hold vacuum.
 
Polock !
When I bought the pressure cookier (for 5$), I removed the rubber seal (very old,
crushed and hard) and I bought a new one. when I tested with the new rubber seal, they did not hold the vacuum very long... But they hold pressure very
good. When I tryed with the old crushed rubber seal, surprised, it held
vacuum very well! (but not pressure).

Therefore, for vacuum I use a seal and for the pressure, I remove the masson jar and I change the seal... With my pressure gage (for 3$) screwed on top, I can see the pressure and the vacuum inside the cooker... But I cannot see the effect of vacuum on my wood (bubble).

In first, I have make some test with a masson jar instesd of the cooker and now that I have my procedure (time, repeat cycle) I can do it in the cooker .

Hoping that that can help !


Alain Miville-Deschênes
http://www.amd.miville-deschenes.com
 
Well, I'll butt in again; I'm sure some condsider me to be an annoying pest here by now.

But I've worked a lot with vacuum lines in labs.

The pictured set-up is a nice home-brew version.:)

I would only add two things to it.

1) Tape up the mason jar with duct tape. Should it break while under vacuum, it will keep the user from becoming filled with hard to find bits of glass (like taping windows when a hurricane is expected). This set-up is likely fine unless volatile solvents are used to thin the stabilizing medium.

2) Ice-water temperature will not condense any vapors that boil much below 200 deg F if they are under vacuum. I know some of you guys thin the stabilizing medium with solvents. Vacuum lowers the boiling point. To trap such solvent vapors you need dry ice. Crush it and mix it with something like acetone or safer, isopropyl alcohol to make a slush. If you use solvents like acetone or toluene, an ice-water temperature trap will not catch it if there is a decent vacuum. And at dry ice temperatures, ordinary glass like a mason jar will be susceptable to thermal shock causing breakage ( not as bad as it could be it you already taped it or better keep it under a shield of some sort.) Best to use a metal container for the trap in this case, (Pyrex glass is fabricted into vacuum traps for laboratories, but I can't think of a readily accessable equivalent).

I butt in because you guys often discuss safety a lot. I've worked with vacuum lines for about 20 years in labs and have have had several built for research to my specs, so I think I know something about them.

One other thing is, if a oil vacuum pump is used instead of a totally mechanical pump, the oil will accumulate whatever isn't caught by a cold trap and will eventually become nearly as toxic the materials dissolved in it. A totally mechanical pump doesn't accumulate as much untrapped vapors, it distributes them into the air for you to inhale.

I've learned a lot here reading about the hazards of exotic wood , antler , MOP, etc dust here, just trying to pay back. Just as nobody needs to get sick from spalted wood dust, nobody needs to get sick or injured from vacuum stabilizing wood.
 
Alain

what stabilizing medium do you use and where do you buy it
do you find it in quebec

badboris
 
I have a couple tips about vacuum pumps and stuff like that.

#1 An old car air conditioning compressor works great as a vacuum pump! Just use the appropriate pulley and motor, and you are all set. Any old 110v motor will work, and you'll draw lot's of vacuum. A lot of woodworkers who bowls on their lathes use these for air-chuck setups for holding bowls while they turn them.

#2 Ready-made vacuum pumps are cheap to buy. I bought a nearly-new Gast pump, with a vacuum gauge on it for $10 off eBay a couple years ago. Course, it cost me $30 to have it shipped. I can pull about 55hg with it.

#3 Automotive vacuum hose works really good. If you live near a junkyard, it's cheap too!

#4 You can make just about any vacuum container you want out of sched-40 pvc pipe. Cut a container to length, glue a cap on one end, and put a hose fitting into the other cap. The vacuum will draw it up tight and there you go.

#5 Vacuum: Every little bit helps. You would be surprised at how much a hose clamp here, or some glue there will add a couple more Hg to your vacuum.
 
Dan
I bought mine on e-bay some time ago
Rene told me about it
it's just like his for $100.00

this is the set up I made.
a plate on top is sealed with rubber a hole tapped in
for a nipple for the line and a vessel
(this make for less mess and less medium you have to use at one time.)
inside to hold the medium and the
wood or what have you.

vac-set-up.JPG
 

1) Tape up the mason jar with duct tape.
Normaly, the masson jar are taped and I put them in a closed plastic contener.
I always use safety goggles or full face shiels when I use this setup !

2) Ice-water temperature will not condense any vapors that boil much below 200 deg F if they are under vacuum.
I onl use cold wather and ice pack. Ice dries would be surely better, but as
surprising as that seems to appear that seems to work... After I find a little
liquid in the content...
what stabilizing medium do you use and where do you buy it
do you find it in quebec
I tryed a lot of stuff like Polyuretane, Minwax wood Hardener, Sanding sealer,
Tomson sealer, Acryloide B-72. Someone ar better with stag or bones and
other are nice with some kind of wood. You can find them on Home Depot
(except b-72 ordered from USA)

Alain M-D
http://www.amd.miville-deschenes.com
 
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