Vanadis 4E Kukri

OTK

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Howdy, maybe a year or so ago John Steedman, a Bohler Uddeholm rep, and the wonderful folks at Alpha Knife Supply arranged a colossal hunk of a steel called Vanadis 4E for me. The AKS crew ran it through their surface grinder and shipped it to me on their dime. Before I get into show and tell on the knife, I would like to offer my sincere thanks to John and my friends at AKS. It's great to work with great people, I can't say enough good things about AKS or John.

Ok, what is Vanadis 4E?

Carbon: 1.4%
Chromium: 4.7%
Manganese: .4%
Silicon: .4%
Molybdenum: 3.5%
Vanadium: 3.7%

For a lack of a better description, V4E is somewhere in between 3V and M4 both in toughness and wear resistance. I've used this steel a few times before this project, but this was a real challenge and I learned a lot about the material. The wear resistance is very close to M4 in my estimation, and the toughness, while less than 3V on paper, is quite adequate for heavy impact laden use....and this is at 62 rc. After HT I did the finish grinding and put a quick edge on. This steel takes a crazy edge and will hold it after all kinds of use. I chopped 2x4s, oak, brass rods, nails with zero chipping and just a little rolling from the nails. The 3rd generation PM is really astounding what a difference it makes. If you're looking for a high performance knife meant for real use, this material may be the tip top. If I had a steady supply, I may not use anything else except K390 for very small thin knives.

I won't lie, V4E is not easy to work with. Hand sanding takes determination, on this project it took several orders of determination. ;) The reward, in my opinion, is totally worth it.

About this knife:
Length 15.5"
Width at widest point: 2.8"
Thickness at ricasso: .350", tapering from both ends
Scales are LSCF with red and black liners

So, hopefully I covered it all. If not, please ask! The bad news is that V4E is very tough to find and pretty costly if you do. It is fantastic stuff, and I hope to see more of it in the future. Thanks!!
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Very interesting -- would you recommend it over 3V for a machete or bush sword? Is the extra effort to work it worth any increase in performance?
 
OTK,

Pretty cool.
Very interested in hearing more about the performance attributes.
Thanks !
btw/ How do you sharpen ?

Doug..:)
 
Very interesting -- would you recommend it over 3V for a machete or bush sword? Is the extra effort to work it worth any increase in performance?

Generally yes. V4E is absolutely tough enough to chop and chop and chop. I believe where this steel would really shine would be in medium-large heavy duty hunting/woods knives where the extra wear resistance would play a more prominent role.

I work with lots of very uncooperative materials. V4E is a sweetheart compared to some. The shear size of this knife is what made the finishing so crazy.
 
That looks great David! Way to go! It's cool to see you using different steels to make some unique products.
 
that's a very intriguing material indeed.
 
Very nice David, so this is the blade you mentioned chopping through brass rods with! It looks like a beast.
 
That is one fine-looking blade.......my wife would probably start to get upset if I have any more of your knives in my stable.......but then again maybe sleeping on the couch is small price to pay for that beast!!
 
That is one fine-looking blade.......my wife would probably start to get upset if I have any more of your knives in my stable.......but then again maybe sleeping on the couch is small price to pay for that beast!!

Jay my friend, this thread is not safe for you to look at ;)
 
David, it always gets me excited to see what other steels you are willing to work with. It seems that you really are pushing the limits. Now this has me wondering as to how thin stock V4E would perform in a small EDC blade...
 
David, it always gets me excited to see what other steels you are willing to work with. It seems that you really are pushing the limits. Now this has me wondering as to how thin stock V4E would perform in a small EDC blade...

I appreciate the comment and I'm with you! Difficulties in the process are just not a barrier for me. Since I don't rely on making knives for my living I can just work myself to death on any project I'm feeling. This was definitely one of those.

V4E in my opinion would kill in a smaller thin blade, only a hardness of 65-66 would be more in line. If I can get some stock I'll definitely offer some. I think the true sweet spot for this steel would be that 9-10" drop point, .200" thick at maybe 63 or so. I'll keep looking for this stuff!
 
That looks AWESOME and must be quite the beast in use!

OVER 1/3" in thick...WOW!

Peter

Peter, it is beastly! I need to weigh it but its really not as heavy as you may think. My lousy pics don't really show, but there is a nice taper going both ways. It has a good heft but decent balance also.
 
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