Vantage Pro centrifugal force

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Magnetox

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Hey guys,

I'm living in Canada and our knife laws state that if the knife can be opened with centrifugal force (a twist of the wrist or any sort of force without actually pressing the nub to open it) then it is a prohibited weapon.

I want to EDC the Vantage Pro knife as a tool but I don't want to buy it if it can be opened without actually moving the blade. The law specifically states that if an expert is able to open it with centrifugal force then it is prohibited, so not even just what you can do.

Any experienced knife users here who own this knife who can weigh in on it being opened without pressing the nub on the side or grabbing the hole in the blade? Or is it pretty set when it is closed and nothing to worry about?

Thanks,
Appreciate your input.
 
I wouldn't be terribly concerned so long as you don't loosen the pivot screw. I can't open mine by merely flipping my wrist, and it's snug enough that I can't reliably open it fully by just pushing the flipper. Normally it takes pushing the flipper with a little added wrist action.
 
Yes they can all be "flicked open" I have tighten a few but they quickly get loose enough to flick. As you stated you may not be able to flick it, but if the officer can it is illegal....
 
The knife has a ball detent that keeps it pretty snug when closed. If you're ordering it from a retailer that ships it from inside Canada then it probably meets the requirements the government has set. I'd say this knife is virtually impossible to open with centrifugal force.
That being said, even though it is legal to carry a knife in Canada you can't conceal it or else its considered a concealed weapon. There are also by-laws that can supersede federal laws.
Also if you get stopped by an officer, they can take it away at their discretion if they find fault in your reason for having it. Maybe carry an apple with you at all times JUST IN CASE.
 
Since that knife is sold from retailers here, then it is perfectly legal. Heck even assisted opening knives are legal (I didn't know that before), so the Vantage would be fine. I would have to remove the pivot screw entirely to get the blade to come out using a lot of arm movement (looking like I was having some sort of spasmodic attack no doubt). That being said, if some over zealous cop decided he/she didn't like you, then they would go out of their way to find something to nail you with and a knife in your pocket would be one of those "AHAH!!!" moments.
 
Yes the cop could confiscate it, but I'd argue to get it back. Not entirely sure about the concealed weapon part, if it is being carried as a tool such as a Swiss Army knife. I'll have to clarify that. Thanks for your answers.
 
I live in Canada and even in the dead of winter with coagulated grease there is nary a knife I can't gravity shake open by holding the knife so the blade opens in reverse grip and then flicking my wrist downards in a semicircle from palm up to palm down.
 
Lapedog said:
I live in Canada and even in the dead of winter with coagulated grease there is nary a knife I can't gravity shake open by holding the knife so the blade opens in reverse grip and then flicking my wrist downards in a semicircle from palm up to palm down.
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Greasing the knife doesn't count. It's only what can you do with the knife in normal circumstances.
 
Here is the definition of weapon in Canada, what do you guys think? Does a 3 inch folder fit the bill?

weapon means any thing used, designed to be used or intended for use
  • (a) in causing death or injury to any person, or
  • (b) for the purpose of threatening or intimidating any person
and, without restricting the generality of the foregoing, includes a firearm and, for the purposes of sections 88, 267 and 272, any thing used, designed to be used or intended for use in binding or tying up a person against their will; (arme)

Has Buck ever explicitly stated that their knives or the Vantage Pro are meant to be used as tools or hunting knives? I mean, I'm going to be using it as a tool, but I'm not sure how they designed it to be used. Assuming it isn't used to cause harm against somebody else, I'm only dealing with how it was designed to be used (unknown), and how it is intended to be used (as a tool).

Thanks.
 
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I've decided I'm going to contact Buck and get an official answer on how their knives were designed to be used. If they were designed to cause injury to people, it's a no go. I don't think they designed it for that reason though, so it wouldn't be a concealed weapon then.

Thanks for all your answers.
 
Magnetox said:
Greasing the knife doesn't count. It's only what can you do with the knife in normal circumstances.
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I was talking in hyperbole. I can wrist flick downwards almost any folding knife with the correct technique.
 
Magnetox said:
Here is the definition of weapon in Canada, what do you guys think? Does a 3 inch folder fit the bill?

"Weapon” means any thing used, designed to be used or intended for use
(a) in causing death or injury to any person, or
(b) for the purpose of threatening or intimidating any person
and, without restricting the generality of the foregoing, includes a firearm.

Has Buck ever explicitly stated that their knives or the Vantage Pro are meant to be used as tools or hunting knives? I mean, I'm going to be using it as a tool, but I'm not sure how they designed it to be used.

Thanks.
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buck has some of the vantages on their site as an everyday use cutting tool. others under tactical cutting tool use.

that law basically says a kayak paddle is a weapon, or a broom handle. pretty much anything that can be used to club or harm someone. could be interpreted to have been carried as a weapon whereas one might be on their way to kayak and run into trouble and use it to defend themselves and then later charged as carrying a weapon. course hopefully some sort of canadian like case law has stopped that from happening

tighten the pivot enough and no "expert" will be able to flick it open with any amount of centrifugal force. course you'll need two hands to open it as well.

these knee jerk laws are just silly. a 2 dollar chinese made dollar store sold kitchen knife carried with a homemade cardboard sheath makes a much faster, stronger, disposable, and better weapon than any switchblade, flipper or folder in general.
 
Look my advice to any canadian wanting to carry a folder is keep the pivot tight. Stay out of trouble. If the cops DO ask you about your knife tell them it is a tool and used for utility tasks only. Make sure the knife is clipped to your pocket so it is not hidden.

To play Canadian knife owner on easy mode make sure that the knife blade is shorter than your palm is wide. Even though this is not part of Canadian law most canadian cops in my experience believe it is and if your knife fits this parameter 90% of cops will leave you alone with it.
 
Magnetox said:
Ok thank you for your input. Have you tried with the Vantage Pro, specifically?
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A vantage Pro which I believe has a blade not much longer than 3 inches is a fine knife for carrying in Canada. Just keep the pivot tight.
 
jbmonkey said:
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these knee jerk laws are just silly. a 2 dollar chinese made dollar store sold kitchen knife carried with a homemade cardboard sheath makes a much faster, stronger, disposable, and better weapon than any switchblade, flipper or folder in general.
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Thankfully it is only a crime to carry a prohibited weapon or a concealed weapon in Canada, as far as I know. So that situation would be resolved, I think? I'm not 100% sure however.
 
http://www.bladeforums.com/threads/canadian-knife-law-specifics.684265/

There's a nice long thread about it. I'm sure you'll be okay since you can prove it is used as a tool for work. I used to work for wm and have used my own knives against their policy and have cut myself on my own knives at work more than anywhere else. I eventually just used the boxcutters they provide... stupid looking but did the job. I still used my 055 (great little knife) when no boxcutters could be found and in the break room for lunch. Luckily nobody cared.
 
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