Variable Frequency Drives

pso

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I have noticed that more and more participants on this forum are using, or are considering using VSD's with their grinders.

I wanted to pass on a few bits of general advice on how best to use these since I work in the R&D department of a company that manufactures VSD's and I don't want to see, or hear about any of you getting hurt while using one. I am not pushing my employer's products. They are not widely distributed outside of New Zealand and Australia and they have features that make them expensive for their power ratings.

For the sake of safety, PLEASE get the help of a qualified electrician with industrial, not just residential, experience to help you plan your installation. If you did the wiring, then have him check everything BEFORE you turn it on for the first time. Many of these VSD's will be working at higher voltages than you would normally find in your house. Consequently, some of the components such as circuit breakers and switches will be quite different to what you will find at your typical home-improvement store.

Your VSD contains a capacitor bank that stores a large amount of energy. Turning off the supply to your VSD does not render it safe to work on it's wiring. The capacitors must be allowed to discharge first before touching the terminals to make any wiring changes. Some VSD's may have an LED (like a lamp) that will indicate that there is still some stored charge in it. The manual should indicate if it has this feature. Please DO NOT even think about shorting out the capacitor bank using a screwdriver. Just wait. If your VSD has a set of terminals marked "+" and "-", you can use a voltmeter to check that the voltage has gone to near zero. If you don't understand the previous sentence clearly, let your electrician do all the wiring for you.

As I had stated in another post, VSD's do not work anything like a transformer, so one cannot use the same kind of thinking when looking at the ratings etc.

Check specifications for your VSD to ensure that it is dust-proof or splash-proof (I think that most are not). A sure sign that it is not is if you can look through the slots or holes in the enclosure and see any circuit boards or bare electrical connections. If your VSD is not dust-proof or splash-proof you will have to take some precautions when mounting it. Make sure that it can get lots of cool, CLEAN air. It may be simpler to mount it in another room and pass the wires through a wall. Our customers often have a "clean and cool" room where they put all of their VSD's and other elecronic equipment. A VSD with a remote mountable display makes this much easier.

Since the dust from your grinder is often conductive, there is the strong possiblity that any dust build up inside can cause a short circuit. This may damage your VSD, your motor, and possibly you. We get lots of VSD's in our service department where they have to wash them out before repairing them. Any dust build up on the heatsink in the VSD will reduce its efficiency. This can lead to the VSD "tripping" in some way or possibly cause the power devices in it to be damaged. Please note that a large amount of energy is stored inside the VSD so when it shorts out, it can sound as loud as a shotgun being fired in your shop. There is also the possibility of hot pieces of metal or plastic being ejected. Don't ask me how I know.

Make sure that you get access to the manual for your VSD. You will need it to adjust all the settings properly. You will also need it to set up all of the safety trip functions so that your motor is properly protected. If you got it used, it may still have the settings from the previous installion in it and they may make it work really wierd on your installation. Again, don't ask me how I know.

If your motor (it must be a 3-phase) is not rated for use with a VSD and you are running it in a hot environment, you may experience premature failure of the motor. The VSD's put out a lot of high frequencies and the insulation rating of the wires used in the motors typically falls with higher frequencies and higher temperatures.

Make sure that you follow the manufacturer's recommendation for earthing the motor to the VSD and the VSD itself. Otherwise you can have a safety hazard. You may also get a lot of interference that disrupts the reception of your radios and TV's (and that of your neighbor's too).

If you are purchasing one, see if you can return it if it does not work propeerly in your installation. Also, get some help from someone who is familiar with that particular brand of VSD when chosing the model that you will buy. Many of the manufacturers lie about their ratings or there are some hidden "gotcha's" about what you can or cannot do.

I hope that my comments have not put anyone off using a VSD on their grinder, or other power tool. A power tool connected to a properly set up and adjusted VSD is a joy to use. We have one connected to the drill press in our workshop at work. Of course, I also have some old prototypes under my desk for when I set up my own shop at home ;-).

Sorry for the long post. I hope that some of you find it useful and hopefully it saves you some grief.

Happy grinding.

Phil
 
Phil, I have a question. Awhile ago I was looking for info on this subject, and was given the name of a dealer, and told to specify "vector duty" motors. Any idea what they are? The person I was talking to did not know.
BTW, thanks for the very informative post. :D
 
Originally posted by Mike Hull
Phil, I have a question. Awhile ago I was looking for info on this subject, and was given the name of a dealer, and told to specify "vector duty" motors. Any idea what they are? The person I was talking to did not know.
BTW, thanks for the very informative post. :D
...... Mike; this is Mike not Phil, but I think I can answer your question. He probably meant "inverter duty" as those motors have more spike resistant insulation than normal motors. Inverter drive motors normally have a torque range that gives it full torque at 1/20 of it's rated rpm up to 2x rpm which is fine for most grinder applications. Vector drive motors on the other hand use a tach to send feedback to the drive unit to keep speed control very precise under load; even a varying load. A vector drive motor has full torque from o rpm to full speed. Real expensive puppies too. Non-inverter motors are used quite often on inverter drives without problems. Phil's post is very good information, it should be heeded. mike
 
Thanks Mike, I am conversant in DC vairiable speed, but don't know much about the AC version of it. Vector duty was a new one on me, even called some motor shops and couldn't get an answer.:confused: :D
 
Phil,thank you for this post. I am quite curious about these AC
variable frequency drives, and I would like to know if a unit
rated for an input voltage of 440 v could be used with and
input of 120v or 220v, single phase. If the unit was rated for
5HP and one wanted to use a 1 Hp or 2 HP would this be compatible.
Used three phase AC motors are inexpensive in comparison to DC and
single phase. Thanks.
 
GREAT post PSO. I don't claim to have anything like the electrical knowledge you do, but I am a very accomplished amateur, and everything you said was right on, especially with the safety parts of it. Make sure y'all listen to him on this. I've had too many brushes with large amounts of electricity myself, and when you're using that electricity to power motors, just adds one more whole dimension of problems. SO make sure you get help when needed, and do things right so you can be safe.
 
I asked one of our Applications Engineers about "Vector Duty" motors. He said that they would be overkill for grinder type applications. M L Williams is correct about the encoder output and they are aimed at higher performance applications, hence the higher price. Your drive would have to have an encoder input, some of the simpler (less expensive) ones might not have this feature. There would be more wiring, for the encoder. If you get such a motor "at a really great price", you should be able to use it just like any other 3-phase motor. Just don't use the encoder connections. He said that these motors are constructed in such a way that the starting torque may be lower than that of a non-vector-duty motor.

Yes, motors that are not inverter rated will work. It is just that the high frequency spikes comming out of the drive stresses the insulation in the motor. Running such a motor at high temperature adds even more stress. The stresses add up, leading to a shorter life. Note that running any motor at high temperatures for long periods of time will lead to a shorter life than running it at the same load but at a lower temperature. That's why they have cooling vents and fans.

To determine whether or not a 440V drive will work with a 120V or 220V single-phase supply, one would have to look in the manual or specifications for that particular drive. If the drive was designed to operate from a lower voltage, it should indicate what the ratings are at that lower voltage. Most likely, the current rating will fall to half (a drive rated for 20 at 440V would likely be rated at 10A at 220V). The control section of the drive would have been designed to work with a certain input voltage range and would probably not work correctly if the input voltage is outside of that range. It would be too expensive to try to modify the control circuitry of a drive to work at a lower voltage (we do this sort of thing at work... and charge the customer big bucks for it). For 220V drives, look to the Japanese brands, since their home market has a much stronger emphasis on 230V drives than other parts of the word. Having said that, don't discount other brands, such as Delta, since the drives industry is quite incestuous. Delta, of Taiwan, makes drives for quite a number of other brands. We are current working on a new family of drives that will be sold by Toshiba and Schneider (Telemechanique, Square-D,...).

I would not recommend using a drive (say you find one in a scrap pile or on e-bay) with a rating that is, say more than ten times, higher that your motor rating. The control circuitry and software in the drive will not work very well and your motor may run kind of rough. Again, see the manual or specifications for the particular drive to see what the smallest recommended motor would be.

Note that my previous comments about safety, dust in the drive and stored charge in the drive would likely also apply to DC drives too.

Hope this helps.

Phil
 
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